Saw Suicide Squad for the second time

[whimsicalnixie]

 Let's be clear: the script definitely had some questionable dialogue choices. But honestly, in terms of plot, I really don't think this movie is any weaker than Thor or The Avengers. In fact, the more familiar you are with Amanda Waller's character, the more the plot makes sense.

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[syathis]

THANK YOU. This is how I feel about it as well. I honestly love the movie, more for Margot Robbie than anything else (and don't get me started on how much I dread seeing a million and 1 suicide squad harleys at comic con). But I like her and Jared's chemistry. I think that the deleted scenes are a shame, because they would have showed their dynamic more, but I like that they did show a bit of the madness that comes with the two, and I really liked that in the end he did break her out, which is something that I called and wrote about in the past. I also like that it was her choice to become "Harley Quinn" and it wasn't forced on her like it was in "The New 52" which is what this was supposed to be based on. She still had a bit of that sass and power that she had in her original origin, and for that I applaud the movie makers.

And her and Will Smith had some great moments together.

[whimsicalnixie]

Definitely to all your points! Margot Robbie NAILED Harley's attitude and demeanor. I'd been worried about how Harley would have been portrayed on the big screen, but Margot gave an amazing performance, and you're right in that she and Jared had great chemistry.

Harley and Deadshot did have awesome camaraderie! I'm usually Harley/Poison Ivy all the way (with Harley/Batman as a guilty pleasure) but this movie sold me a little bit on Harley/Deadshot.

[endeni]

/Harley can be seen pressing the 'Normal' setting on an appliance./ - Ohh, didn't notice that.
Yep, I don't think that the plot is any weaker than any other basic superhero movie either...

[whimsicalnixie]

It's here if you want to watch it. Yeah, it the movie it's hard to notice, because Harley's fantasy cuts in right after Deadshot's fantasy of his daughter, so at first you're not sure what's happening.

Agreed about plots! Superhero movies can be great, but a lot of the plots are contrived at best, mostly because much of the comic plots are interconnected and tie back into previous arcs, and don't necessarily translate well to film. And if there's one thing Suicide Squad made clear, it's that Waller prefers to bury her mistakes, so the basic premise is entirely plausible for her character.

[endeni]

Niiice, thanks for the link! ;)
If anything, the movie utilizes the most classic superhero origin story gimmick/trope: as the protagonist becomes the hero in a way they're also responsible for the creation of their own nemesis/personal super-villian. Think of the old Fantastic Four movie: the FF getting their powers means Doom got his too. Or how Nolan's Batman is responsible for the rise of the Joker. So Waller trying to do something that will eventually turn against her fit all to well with that theme...

[whimsicalnixie]

You're welcome; anytime! :D

And that's a really good point about the classic superhero origin. (Like how Superboy caused Lex Luthor to lose his hair!) The similarity never even occurred to me. That's probably the closest Waller's ever going to get to being like a classic hero, too.

[richyl88]

I still really liked it after my 2nd watch too. One thing that I thought about that has been bugging me though is why Deadshot's vision was Batman dead,everything in the movie he has done for his daughter. You would think that the vision would her being safe and living with him.

[whimsicalnixie]

I think part of Deadshot's fantasy involved killing Batman for several reasons, and I'll try to explain the best I can. And I feel for both Deadshot and Bruce in this situation, as it can't have been easy for Bruce to take down Deadshot in a dark alleyway in front of his kid

[endeni]

Oh, that's an excellent point you make there. *nods* Killing Batman means getting a starting over ticket, both with Zoe and with his own life.

[richyl88]

Thank you, you make some really good good points and it makes more sense now!

[whimsicalnixie]

I hear you. I remember when the first Avengers came out, and I was severely disappointed with it to the point of avoiding all things Marvel for a while.

Did you have any thoughts on Harley being an accomplice to Robin's murder? Even though I know DCAU Harley was involved in torturing Tim in Return of the Joker, it's one of the changes I really dislike.

[whimsicalnixie]

Sorry, I'm rambling. I'm just too obsessed with my Harls & Mistah J XD

No worries, I love hearing what other fans think!

I don't like the idea of Harley being an accomplice, because that's not really in her nature. She doesn't like to kill, you know? In the comics and cartoon it was more that if she did kill it was because she saw no other way to get to the end, you know?

I agree-- I've always seen her that way, too. Her original comics series also had her killing people, but being unaware that she was actually hurting them-- there was no "real life" in perception, just a Looney Tunes-esque type setting where people could withstand being electrocuted and having anvils dropped on their heads, when of course, they can't. Even then, she was never truly aware she was hurting anyone.

Another thing that irks me about this is that apparently the reason the Joker has those ugly-ass grills on his teeth is because Batsy beat the utter shit out of him when he killed Robin, and that's why he has 'Damaged' tattooed on his face - because he

[dreamwishdo]

I agree, the movie definitely had some dialogue issues, HOWEVER, that aside, I felt everything was pretty good. I wasn't all that fond of Enchantress as a villain, in fact I don't thonk she was that affective as a villain, but in a way, I don't see how it could have been anyone else.

You really didn't see the Joker leaving after Harley jumped into the acid? That was the first thing I noticed, because he rolls his head and is almost annoyed at the fact that he felt the need to save her. Thus the beginning of the lovely abusive relationship.

As far as DC movies goes, this one is definitely the best, my hopes for Justice League are a lot higher than they were originally, so I'll take it.

[whimsicalnixie]

Eeee, we both have Harley Icons! <3

I agree, the movie definitely had some dialogue issues, HOWEVER, that aside, I felt everything was pretty good. I wasn't all that fond of Enchantress as a villain, in fact I don't thonk she was that affective as a villain, but in a way, I don't see how it could have been anyone else.

My thoughts exactly! I also think the plot works considering who the main characters are-- they're supervillains, so they're not going to be fighting the alien menace or rising up against the oppressive dictator. Waller isn't that type of hero, either-- she's not forming the team because she believes in them, but because she finds them useful. Though the Enchantress plot might seem too convenient or almost like an excuse, Waller forcing some villains to clean up her mistakes works better for all the characters than the formula of a standard team-up movie.

You really didn't see the Joker leaving after Harley jumped into the acid? That was the first thing I noticed, because he rolls his head and is almost annoyed at

[dreamwishdo]

Girl, I have a plethora of Harley Quinn icons.. If I had all the space in the world I'd add them all