There is this wonderful invention called caller ID. Where if it says "Out of Area" or if it is the name of a buisness that you don't recognize, DON'T ANSWER THE PHONE.
So then, one of your relatives or friends has an emergency, and the people they're with only know your phone number... they call you, and you don't answer the phone. Or, someone stops at a business and uses their phone to try to get ahold of you.
There's currently no system in place to not get unsolicited calls without losing the calls you need to get.
Not exactly. Back in 1999 I saw a small device in a mail-order catalog for about $20. This device would be wired between the phone line and the phone itself. When a call comes in, it would prompt the caller for a PIN. Entry of a correct PIN would cause the device to ring the phone.
where do you live?
anonymous
September 16 2003, 13:02:07 UTC
I'm going to try the same thing with your door-bell.
sure, I'd be violating your property, but the phone is my property. I should be able to say, sir, please don't dial my phone number as you would say, please don't push my doorbell.
but, I'd have to walk on your property to ring the doorbell. fine. I'll use a big stick from the sidewalk. I'll push it at seven in the morning. I'll push it right when you're eating dinner. I'll even design a robot that will push tons of doorbells at the same time, and only go to one of the few who open the door, leaving all the others who opened their door to wonder, where's that person who was pushing my doorbell. perhaps you have a door where you have to pay every time you open it (mobile phone). I'll push that doorbell, too.
the do-not-call list is the modern equivalent of a 'no solicitors' sign on my porch.
the car stealing statement is ridiculous. you can look at it as people stealing my car inconveniences me.
only posting anonymously because I don't have an lj account...
Re: where do you live?volkrisSeptember 16 2003, 16:26:55 UTC
sure, I'd be violating your property, but the phone is my property. I should be able to say, sir, please don't dial my phone number as you would say, please don't push my doorbell.
The phone is your property and by plugging it into the phone line you're ageeing for the phone line to affect it in the ways that phone lines affect phones, namely by occasionally sending the phone line a signal saying that there is an incoming call. There is no violation of property for anyone to call your phone at any time over and above the violation of property that it is for the power company to warm your coffee maker.
I'll push that doorbell, too.There are differences between doorbells and phones. For a doorbell and a phone to be the same the doorbell would have to be right up against the sidewalk with a big sign saying "Everyone push whenever you want", in which case nobody has any right to complain when someone pushes it. Even then there would be differences, one of the funnier ones is that for the phone you're actually paying for the service that
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Re: where do you live?
anonymous
September 16 2003, 19:17:11 UTC
The phone is your property and by plugging it into the phone line you're ageeing for the phone line to affect it in the ways that phone lines affect phones, namely by occasionally sending the phone line a signal saying that there is an incoming call.
by plugging your computer into the internet are you agreeing that it's ok to be hacked? by crossing the street are you agreeing to be run over?
There is no violation of property for anyone to call your phone at any time over and above the violation of property that it is for the power company to warm your coffee maker.
it would be a violation if the power company had some way of switching my coffee machine on without my consent.
For a doorbell and a phone to be the same the doorbell would have to be right up against the sidewalk with a big sign saying "Everyone push whenever you want", in which case nobody has any right to complain when someone pushes it.I don't remember placing such a sign with regards to my phone number. in fact, since I do not recall giving my phone number to the
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Re: where do you live?volkrisSeptember 16 2003, 20:25:15 UTC
by plugging your computer into the internet are you agreeing that it's ok to be hacked? by crossing the street are you agreeing to be run over?
No. By plugging your computer in with open ports you're agreeing for people to try to access those ports. If you call this hacking, then yes, you're agreeing to be hacked.
By crossing the street there is no consent given. The other things here require explicit steps to be taken that give agreement.
it would be a violation if the power company had some way of switching my coffee machine on without my consent.
Right, but they don't. Similarly, the phone company doesn't have a way of ringing your phone. All they have the ability to do is send an incoming call signal to your line. If your phone rings it's because you plugged in a device that rings in response to this signal.
I don't remember placing such a sign with regards to my phone number.
Right. You have to place such a sign on a doorbell for it to become more equal to a phone line, not the other way around.
this entry threw a wrench in the systemupfromthegutterOctober 10 2003, 18:17:44 UTC
lol - to the anonymous poster - relax buddy, its just a journal posting. everyone is entitled to their own opinions
in this case i totally agree with you. and i really enjoyed reading your conversations with anonymous. you should go into politics (you debate well) :)
Re: this entry threw a wrench in the systemvolkrisOctober 10 2003, 18:30:20 UTC
I'm not a very good speaker.
I also lack confidence in front of an audience because I don't have time to go look up information and stuff like that. I can never feel properly prepared.
I much prefer to be the little guy telling the politician what to say and do :)
I'm an advisor by nature: I'm too honest and often find myself explaining both pros and cons of my position just because I'm afraid of them making the wrong decision even when I'm sure of the right one myself.
You should see me helping my mom pick out a new car. That was a show. I so didn't want them spending a ton of money on the wrong car that I ended up arguing against my favorite just as much as for it.
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There's currently no system in place to not get unsolicited calls without losing the calls you need to get.
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sure, I'd be violating your property, but the phone is my property. I should be able to say, sir, please don't dial my phone number as you would say, please don't push my doorbell.
but, I'd have to walk on your property to ring the doorbell. fine. I'll use a big stick from the sidewalk. I'll push it at seven in the morning. I'll push it right when you're eating dinner. I'll even design a robot that will push tons of doorbells at the same time, and only go to one of the few who open the door, leaving all the others who opened their door to wonder, where's that person who was pushing my doorbell. perhaps you have a door where you have to pay every time you open it (mobile phone). I'll push that doorbell, too.
the do-not-call list is the modern equivalent of a 'no solicitors' sign on my porch.
the car stealing statement is ridiculous. you can look at it as people stealing my car inconveniences me.
only posting anonymously because I don't have an lj account...
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The phone is your property and by plugging it into the phone line you're ageeing for the phone line to affect it in the ways that phone lines affect phones, namely by occasionally sending the phone line a signal saying that there is an incoming call. There is no violation of property for anyone to call your phone at any time over and above the violation of property that it is for the power company to warm your coffee maker.
I'll push that doorbell, too.There are differences between doorbells and phones. For a doorbell and a phone to be the same the doorbell would have to be right up against the sidewalk with a big sign saying "Everyone push whenever you want", in which case nobody has any right to complain when someone pushes it. Even then there would be differences, one of the funnier ones is that for the phone you're actually paying for the service that ( ... )
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by plugging your computer into the internet are you agreeing that it's ok to be hacked? by crossing the street are you agreeing to be run over?
There is no violation of property for anyone to call your phone at any time over and above the violation of property that it is for the power company to warm your coffee maker.
it would be a violation if the power company had some way of switching my coffee machine on without my consent.
For a doorbell and a phone to be the same the doorbell would have to be right up against the sidewalk with a big sign saying "Everyone push whenever you want", in which case nobody has any right to complain when someone pushes it.I don't remember placing such a sign with regards to my phone number. in fact, since I do not recall giving my phone number to the ( ... )
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No.
By plugging your computer in with open ports you're agreeing for people to try to access those ports. If you call this hacking, then yes, you're agreeing to be hacked.
By crossing the street there is no consent given. The other things here require explicit steps to be taken that give agreement.
it would be a violation if the power company had some way of switching my coffee machine on without my consent.
Right, but they don't. Similarly, the phone company doesn't have a way of ringing your phone. All they have the ability to do is send an incoming call signal to your line. If your phone rings it's because you plugged in a device that rings in response to this signal.
I don't remember placing such a sign with regards to my phone number.
Right.
You have to place such a sign on a doorbell for it to become more equal to a phone line, not the other way around.
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in this case i totally agree with you. and i really enjoyed reading your conversations with anonymous. you should go into politics (you debate well) :)
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I also lack confidence in front of an audience because I don't have time to go look up information and stuff like that. I can never feel properly prepared.
I much prefer to be the little guy telling the politician what to say and do :)
I'm an advisor by nature: I'm too honest and often find myself explaining both pros and cons of my position just because I'm afraid of them making the wrong decision even when I'm sure of the right one myself.
You should see me helping my mom pick out a new car. That was a show. I so didn't want them spending a ton of money on the wrong car that I ended up arguing against my favorite just as much as for it.
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well its too bad for politics that you aren't a good speaker, because we could use someone who knows how to do that - argue both sides intelligently
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A politician has to pick a side and work to get that side passed, everyone else be damned.
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