Pandora Hearts Retrace LXIII Discussion

[total_alias]

...I was going to wait for the scanlation, but we've all been waiting long enough so...
Here we go.

Comments

[kashii_ai]

Hrrrm. Lots of birdcages and feathers this chapter, in terms of symbolism. And you know what. I think they may be relating to freedom, more than anything. I mean, think about it. People in this series contract to beings called Chains, and many times these deals leave the contractor with the short end of the stick (clearly this series also has the theme that magic/power doesn't answer everything). Thus, they are bound by Chains

[gommyommy]

I agree about many of the things you said. And I'm also sorta hoping for the fluffy ending. Just a little fluff. :)

[gommyommy]

Humpty Dumpty also "sat on a wall" FWIW.

As for the white feather, there had been white birds flying around a few pages earlier. But the fact that him stepping on the feathers (first white, then black) was given their own panel, does make it seem more meaningful. *Tries to think if white feathers symbolize anyone…maybe the Will of Abyss?*

Oz is making Alyss unstable…they said as much many chapters ago…though it was Alyss's yearning for Jack that was making Abyss unstable, as I recall.

I'm just wondering if someone will, in the end, try to talk the Will of Abyss out of her death wish. I'm picturing a climax where Gil tries to talk Vincent out of his death wish, Oz tries to talk Alyss out of her death wish, and let's see, who else wanted to die in this series? There seem to be so many.

[total_alias]

I automatically thought Oz, because he's not only the protagonist, but he has also only just recently learned to appreciate the value of his own life.

If Alice did it, though, it would be too heartwarming. <3
Either way, I feel like I'm going to cry when this scene comes along. *sniff*

[total_alias]

Oh shiz. And his servant nearly had a great fall.

Mah new buddy kashii_ai had a really good theory, that it symbolizes Leo's perceived lack of choices.

If Oz goes then Break will need to talk Gilbert out of his death wish. And, as we've just seen, even though Break let go of his death wish long ago, he'll go right back in if something happens to Reim or Sharon. It seems like nearly the entire cast wants to die. And then ones who want to live are one step (person) away from being like all the rest. And the one character who knew life's value gave his up.

And then there's Alice and Oz, who have only recently learned to value their lives (Alice was living in the past, and now that she's moved to the present, she can value the life she has now). ...So, is it safe to assume that they will be either the next or last to go?

God no, don't take Oz away from me, Sensei. Don't do it. *sobs*

[ryoura]

I WANT TO RANT FOREVER

[total_alias]

SLEEP IS FOR PEOPLE WITHOUT FANDOM.

Yup. Alice also called Oz her "key" here. But I'm wondering if that was a mistranslation? I hope it wasn't, though.

In other words, if Oz is what's screwing it up, and he is also what can fix it, Oz may be the one to destroy Alyss?

Dude, I was just thinking about this. Okay, the Tragedy happened when Alyss appeared. Tragedy = Sablier sucked into the Abyss. But that has nothing to do with why Glen ordered the Baskervilles to kill everyone. Do you think it's possible that he was trying to spare them from tortured life in this new Abyss? Or that Alyss' appearance distorted him somehow? I mean, he was a servant of the lights Abyss, then Alyss shows up and things went crazy. What kind of effect did that have on Glen? Or Glen's actions

[ryoura]

*should be sleeping

[total_alias]

Well, there is technically no time in the Abyss. You go in, you come out. If you can get Alyss to send you out at a specific time then there you have time travel! :D

YES. I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS. Also, this scene (3 pages). If Jack wasn't the master you're talking about, who was? I'll freaking tell you who.

THAT'S RIGHT. I NEED TO TALK TO YOU MORE. I completely missed that "again" there with B-Rabbit.

Ok. Mind is made up. Oz was there. He was there there there there there. There are too many facts supporting it for it to not be true. He was there. End of story.

[silky_girl1987]

so many confusing theories here...time travell and so on...It seems that somehow Break had realized The true goal of Baskervilles since he said that they had the same goal (destroying The Will of Abyss). And I wonder about somethings. When Alyss convey her wish to Break, she said:
"I don't want to be The Will of Abyss anymore...break it...break it...save me...save that child...save Alice..."
Does that mean that in order to save her, Break also has to save Alice? And in order to do that Break also has to destroy The Will of Abyss? What is 'the real relationship' between Alyss and Alice? It seems to me that they are more than just twins.
How could The Will of Abyss distorted Abyss?

[total_alias]

I think that in order to save Alice in whatever climactic situation, Break will have to destroy Alyss. Or that's how it would work out. But Oz would be more likely to kill her in the end, since he's the one to fix the currently wonky Abyss, and he'd also do just about anything for Alice.

Of course they aren't just twins! They're like these two near-identical crazy entities that are somehow above this story, rather than in it, if that makes sense. They're more of their own story.

What I want to know is, like you said, their relation to the Abyss. Now, I've always thought that Alice is the child of Glen and Lacie, meaning that Alyss is too. And since Glen is a servant of the Abyss, and more like a chain than a human, as Break said, then it's possible that that has something to do with it...

[silky_girl1987]

maybe it's forbidden for Baskervilles to have a deep relationship with humans? That's why Lacie was sacrificed to Abyss? and Glenn held a grudge toward it? just a random thoughts