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[thebratqueen]

So I was talking about how The Gift has some of the worst continuity that BtVS has possibly ever seen and it got me and others talking about moments in Buffy and Angel that are so bad or dumb that at this point you can't help but look back on them with an indulgent smile

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[bloodypoetry]

Oh! I just thought of a new one. Buffy's huge angsty grief at thinking the'd killed Warren's ex in Dead Things, when she's killed humans before...

The Coach, in Go Fish, by Proxy...

"You killed ten of my men..." in Spiral...

*there are more, but can't think of them off the top of her head*

[smolder]

Yes!! That totally floored me. She axed a guy on screen. Threw it, it hit him in the sternum, and he fell off the Winnebago.

[kribban]

I think it's because the girl was (to her knowledge) the victim she was trying to help, and un-armed. She killed those other guys in combat, to protect herself.

[lannamichaels]

I'm not sure if it counts, but I'm still boggling over the fact that they never bothered to tell Fred's parents she died. I mean, wtf?

[mpoetess]

I could fanwank it by saying that Wes kept it from them because admitting to them that she was gone would be the last, finaly straw of admitting that there would never be any way to get her back, and while he might be able to say it out loud to Angel and Gunn, accepting it in himself is another story.

But that's definitely fanwank, not logical internal plausibility.

What I suspect it was in truth was Wes having the magic power of Amazing Colin Sense, wherein a character in an RPG knows things he shouldn't just because his player has outside knowledge. In this case Wes 'knowing' that part of the plans for Illyria in Season 6 were supposed to be that she became more Fredlike, and thus might need to interact with Fred's parents again without them hating her on sight.

[melbournegirl]

Or Wesley suddenly being in love with Fred... again. Because all that closure after Lilah's death was forgotten and Wes couldn't remember. Except when it wasn't and he could. And my favourite, Connor's american accent despite being raised by an englishman in a hell dimension.

[penne4m]

And remember that some of Fred's last words were "Tell my parents I wasn't scared." It still makes me angry that he couldn't honor her last request.

[mpoetess]

The complete and utter lack of followthrough on Buffy vs. Dracula in terms of WTF Drac was doing there, why his powers seemed to be different from other vamps, why there was as aliaspiral pointed out, suddenly a mansion -- I mean it was all parody and self-mockery, but they didn't bother to work the parody into anything resembling continuity in the way, say, OMWF did. There was all sorts of speculation that the whole Drac thing was a big distraction while Dawn was being put into place, but there was never anything to confirm that.

[ex_dovil323]

Oh god yes! And then Penn episode with the superfast zipping about the place and the shared dreams and other wacky mystical vampire senses. I don't think any of that was ever brought up again either. Talk about reinventing the entire Jossverse vampire mythology for the sake of a couple of episodes.

[mpoetess]

Which OTOH makes me roll my eyes at people who try to say that there is no canon support for there being connections between vampires beyond the social. They're deliberately not Anne Rice vampires, yes, but some of the lame family stuff, and the lame ritual stuff, Joss set up. Just because it's silly doesn't mean it's not canon.

[ex_dovil323]

It's just I wish that ME had done something with it instead of picking it up like a shiny new toy and then throwing it away again, never to return. Especially since they picked the one-off guest stars and never used all this with Angel, Darla, Spike etc. Just seemed a bit strange to me.

[mpoetess]

Oh! Anya's sudden inability to drive when faced with a bright red automatic shift sportscar in Triangle when she was begging Xander to leave town with her in her car almost two ywars earlier in Graduation Day.

[mpoetess]

Oh, and the fact that no one ever thought to ask why the hell the Council wasn't paying Buffy? Not even in the episode where she successfully negotiated reinstatement and back-pay for Giles, let alone when she was broke and motherless in S6.

[smolder]

Yes. Totally.

Though I guess she didn't want them to have power over her.

[thebratqueen]

And let's not forget Dawn's amazing inability to get a paper route and Willow and Tara apparently living rent-free.

[smolder]

I know the breathing thing has been mentioned, and that really is my major WTF. Spike and Angel were always panting, and sucking in breath and so on. For creatures that didn't need to breathe, they seemed to be out of it a lot.

Also...when Wesley calls the Council about Faith going evil, they send a bunch of schlubs that couldn't deliver pizza. When, apparently, they had a crack team of retrieval specialists, as seen in "New Girl" just sitting around doing nothing. Hell, more than that. They waited until Faith woke up from the coma to come grab her? Why not grab her when she was nice and unconscious?

[treebee]

Or why not just off Faith why she was in comaville? We hear over & over again about how the CoW are a bunch of cold-blooded bastards & only consider the Slayer as a weapon, but they had some sort of issue about completely eliminating their problem? They had freaking agents in the hospital! How hard would it have been 'accidentally' give Faith the wrong medicine?

[smolder]

yes, that too. Especially since Faith was holding up the next Slayer from being called.

[thebratqueen]

My favorite one with the breathing was when Darla was giving birth: "I - PANT - CAN'T - PANT - BREATHE!" I mean I get the actors need to breathe and that's why we're supposed to pretend we never see Angel or Spike's breath in the air when they film on cold nights, but they definitely worked in too many scenes where a vamp is breathing hard as a way to indicate being upset or making great effort.