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[thebratqueen]

So I was talking about how The Gift has some of the worst continuity that BtVS has possibly ever seen and it got me and others talking about moments in Buffy and Angel that are so bad or dumb that at this point you can't help but look back on them with an indulgent smile

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[synful_trixxie]

1. In season six Spike shows up in a mirror when Buffy's dragging him around... cause when you're being tossed around by a slayer... you show up in mirrors.
2. Angel not being able to perform mouth to mouth, cause he has no breath, but Spike being able to smoke. (err... don't you need to breathe to smoke?)
3. Buffy being able to sense vamps... but not able to tell that Angel was a Vamp in Season one... until she saw the scary vamp ridges... cause his overwhelmingly masculine presence shorted out her vamp senses.
4. Buffy dying in Season one... and then after having mouth to mouth performed on her getting right back up and kicking the Masters ass... err... cause you know, after drowning you're totally able to get back up and go back to what you're doing with no physical trauma what so ever.

[stawberi]

2. I guess if Spike is ever caught with marijuana, he can be sure of the excuse "I didn't inhale" :P

[sthelen]

I absolutely agree with point 2. Vamps do not need to breathe to live but to talk, smoke etc. you have to. And not consuming oxygen from breathed-in air gives the best mouth to mouth.
The only possible excuse I could give Angel is had he done it Buffy would have for sure known he is a vampire (if my memory does not fail me and this scene really happened before she knew).

Sorry for the rant.

[xandutch]

Errr... Sorry, but my fannish continuity-rabidness can't resist pointing out that the whole drowning thing happened in the last episode of the first season, waaay after we found out about Angel. (Episode 12 'Prophecy Girl' and Episode 7 'Angel', respectively. And I don't even need to look that up. How sad am I?)

[treebee]

I think it's been long enough for me to laugh at this one -

Fred is the one that calls Willow about resouling Angel. WTF?

[scrollgirl]

Yeah, that was... And then Fred helped perform the spell! Because clearly her Latin is better than Wesley's!

[treebee]

Oh man, over two years later & I am so not ready to laugh about Fred being better at research/magic than Wes.

I'll give her the phone call to Willow, because that is just so ridiculous that you have to laugh, but not the magic & the research.

But, I will laugh at the 'power circle' filmed using the 'spin & barf cam' in Hole in the World. Dude! That was just so wrong.

[nolivingman]

It inspired a good amount of femslash, so I'm willing to go with it.

[lerefuge]

Oh my God I love this thread :D Make me all tingly from the show love.

One of my worst annoyance was the muddy definition of Angel's "perfect happiness". First it was sex, then it was sex with Buffy, then it went back to sex, then it could be drugs (wtf?), then it was not sex anymore except... oh wait, it's sex again (and I am sure I am missing a few "evolutions").

[lm]

Having it be sex was bad enough. I was always thinking, "So, how does masturbation fit in? Wet dreams? Do vampires have wet dreams? If vampires don't have heartbeats how can they get erections?" Etc. etc.

[lerefuge]

LOL! Wet dreams! Imagine the technical problems of preventing that. And seriously, the person who thought up that perfect happiness is an orgasm really had an unfulfilling life, cose dude.

[thebratqueen]

And of course the birth of his child? Pfft. Not even a blip on that radar.

[lm]

So...Angel stumbled around eating rats for a century or so (can't remember what year he got cursed)...and even when he was a Big Bad he just ran around getting drunk and killing people...yet he knows, like, everything that could possibly be known about vampires--and, when it's convenient, demons.

But then the idea of him just stumbling around eating rats gets retconned entirely in Angel, and suddenly he was doing all kinds of stuff, like fighting in wars and staying in swanky hotels and rescuing people and stuff. And it's never explained (at least, if it is I don't remember) how he got to the rat-snacking stinky homeless stage he was in when he got sent off to help Buffy in "Becoming."

[mpoetess]

I think there's meant to be some implication that the bit that Faith saw with Angelus in the 70's flashback, where he drank from the diner cashier who'd been shot, may have been what drove him back into rat-eating territory again, FWIW. There's no denying it is a retcon -- anything introduce in a flashback is, by definition -- but it doesn't necessarily contradict previous continuity - just makes it a bit more murky in terms of what happened when.

[lm]

I totally don't remember that, but then again there are a lot of eps I haven't seen since they originally aired. Do you remember which episode it was?

[mpoetess]

It was in Orpheus, A:ts Season 4, when Faith is wandering around in Angel/Angelus' head while Willow tries to re-ensoul him, and we get to see 70's disco Angel. He has a crappy hairstyle, to say the least, but is clearly not in rat-eating territory yet; his clothes are clean. Then there's a shooting, while Angelus and Faith are sitting in a booth 'witnessing' it, and while Angel in theory couldn't have helped the guy who got shot, instead of walking away he comes back after a couple seconds of indecision (which Angelus implies might have saved the guy's life if he'd used them helpfully) and drinks from the corpse, though he's fairly ashamed of doing so. Then the next scene of the mind-tour is an alley where Angel's dressed pretty much as he was in the Becoming flashback.

So it's not stated categorically that one event led to the other and there were no crimefighting days in between them, but there's some heavy implication.

[roguedemon]

Buffy breaking every known rule of ethics (not to mention common sense) in the business while working as a counselor. I guess they tried to explain it later when Robin had apparently hired her just because of who she was, but c'mon! Bringing home a file and having everyone look through it with her? Screwing a client? And a retarded person could have given better advice than she could, let alone someone actually trained in counseling. I could go on...That whole storyline made me wince.

One that always made me laugh was the way the humans always recovered so well from the many, many blows to the head they received. In the real world, they'd all be vegetables. Serious Traumatic Brain Injury, you best believe.