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Chapter Nineteen

Jan 16, 2005 12:02

The Lion and the Serpent

Useless Fact: This is the chapter I read first when I got my copy, purely on the basis of the title.

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Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! jollityfarm January 17 2005, 16:29:24 UTC

If Neville weren't so obviously being put foreward (as is Hagrid) as "Isn't he sweet and charming?" I might like him better. I mean, people like to complain that Neville is being OMG bullied by Professor Snape, which he is, but what on earth is up with him wibbling with terror five years on? Professor Snape has done nothing to him at all besides look menacing - surely he'd have worked that out by now and got angry anstead of going "gulp" every time Professor Snape looks at him. Not that he isn't going to get an "O" for Potions, because all he really needed was confidence. Blah ( ... )

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! mariagoner January 18 2005, 03:08:51 UTC

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but at my school, when a house won the House Shield, they either got half a day off school for all the students, or (because they changed that later on) everyone in the house got a free sausage and ice cream at the House barbecue. :D:D:D:D I think Hogwarts should actually have something like that - it would make more sense.

You had barbeques at your school? Lucky duck, where did you go to? In my junior high and high school (in New York City, natch), the most we ever got was luke-warm pizza and hot Kool Aid-- and that's only if we were in the school play or forked up $5 to go the senior prom.

But seriously, in Hogwarts, the only thing that a House gets for winning the House Cup is having their colors draped around the Main Hall for about half a day before they're all shipped back home. Now what the hell sort of motivation is that, anyway?

Sort of related, but I liked how Cho actually gave a shit about Ravenclaw winning, instead of just being happy Gryffindor won yet again (or like ( ... )

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! guza January 18 2005, 04:05:27 UTC

I live in New Zealand, so yeah... :D

no one but our Sainted Trio and their house get to better themselves in any public way. Get your priorities straight, woman! ;)

*apologises profusely*

How could I have forgotten myself and suggested otherwise?

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! merrymelody January 18 2005, 10:21:27 UTC

McGonagall also really loooooves having that cup in her office, apparently.
You'd think the teachers would be over the House thing, but they're worse than anybody!

I love how Cho cried. Well, I guess that's what you get if you let the chicks play.
Ginny's good, but not Harry good, the three older girls on the Gryffindor team don't seem to affect the game at all and their only job so far has been to restrict the boys from manly fighting; the Slytherin team don't have any at all (because they're probably sexist on top of being racist, fat, ugly, stupid, mean, cowardly and untalented.)

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! t0ra_chan January 18 2005, 12:24:56 UTC

I love how Cho cried. Well, I guess that's what you get if you let the chicks play.
Meh, I cry too when I'm frustrated or angry, can't help it. At least it's not the whole Ravenclaw team throwing a big pity-party like Gryffindor did in PoA. Sadly that means no posters of Ginny's head on fire from the Ravenclaws (and it would so go with her hair too).

the Slytherin team don't have any at all (because they're probably sexist on top of being racist, fat, ugly, stupid, mean, cowardly and untalented.)

Well, as far as we know, Hufflepuffs don't have any girls on their team either. And Ravenclaws have only Cho. Oops, forget, everything Slytherins do is evil, even if other do the same. What was I thinking?

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! sistermagpie January 19 2005, 15:09:37 UTC

Sort of related, but I liked how Cho actually gave a shit about Ravenclaw winning, instead of just being happy Gryffindor won yet again (or like Cedric, making excuses for Gryffindor/Harry), like everyone else seems to be. But even that was demonised and Cho came across as a sore loser instead. I'd be pissed off too, so I liked what she did.Oh, that is so true. Before, when Harry beat her on his firebolt, didn't Cho happily come over to congratulate him and cheerily say how she didn't stand a chance against his broom like this was a perfectly good thing? But once she's evil she proves it by not realizing it's always a happy ending when Gryffindor wins ( ... )

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! merrymelody January 19 2005, 15:25:25 UTC

Course. She's a "sore loser" now. Because Gryffindors react to defeat with courtly good grace. Or something.

Cho's a funny case - pre OotP, she was beautiful, nice, popular, good at Quidditch, dating Cedric the BMOC, a Ravenclaw ((the only house besides Gryffindor not to be criticised))then suddenly she shows a personality and feelings (OMG! Only Harry's allowed those!) she's demonised as whiny, superficial and melodramatic.
I quote no_remorse's gender essay way too often, but it is coincidental that as soon as Cho becomes the aggressor (love that bit where he's scared she wants to kiss him on their date. No-one will ever convince me of Straight!Harry.) and becomes a person rather than a paragon, he doesn't want her any more, which the narrative approves.

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! go_back_chief January 19 2005, 16:42:41 UTC

but it is coincidental that as soon as Cho becomes the aggressor (love that bit where he's scared she wants to kiss him on their date. No-one will ever convince me of Straight!Harry.) and becomes a person rather than a paragon, he doesn't want her any more, which the narrative approves.

Not coincidental at all. Another reason for why I won't be the lest bit surprised if Harry will discover that he wants Ginny now, once she's finally over him, and won't chase him around with Valentines or get-well-cards anymore, so that he can be the one to chase her, the way it should be.

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! merrymelody January 19 2005, 16:44:57 UTC

How romantic. And I guess, coupled with R/Hr, as Hermione passively waits for Ron to come get her.

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! sistermagpie January 19 2005, 21:35:40 UTC

But also gets to be "better" than he is because she's over him. Like the way Lily thought James was a jerk. That's Gurl!Power. You can convince yourself that you're the one in control because the guy worships you.

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! merrymelody January 17 2005, 21:02:03 UTC

Neville pisses me off because he does nothing to earn anyone's respect, we're just supposed to like him because he follows our heroes around like a slightly brain-damaged lost puppy. He doesn't have a single thought of his own in his head and no real personality beyond "charity case". Why should I care if he's bullied by anyone?Hah! Embrace the Neville hate ( ... )

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! mariagoner January 17 2005, 21:46:30 UTC

God Bless You for those links!

Mind you, I actually adored Neville when he was still nebbish and young and bullied and terrified... and yet still brave in the way he dealt with all the everyday dissapointments in his life. He reminded me of another nerd I had the biggest crush on in high school (and yet still didn't hook up with, damn it all.)

Of course, Super OOTP Harrified Neville turned me off because he seemed so contrary to the Neville in past books... though the way Neville treated his mother and stolidly underwent Cruciating in Book 5 still made me kind of... soppy...

I'm going to get lynched for saying this, aren't I? ;)

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! merrymelody January 17 2005, 21:50:17 UTC

I don't actually hate Neville. I'm not fond of the way he's written, and I don't think he's Teh Bravest Boy in all the Land, but in a real life situation, I'd rather be around him than a lot of characters.
And even I found the sweet bit kind of sad. Tell no-one!

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! mariagoner January 18 2005, 03:11:05 UTC

::whistles, starts gathering info for future blackmail::

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! mariagoner January 17 2005, 21:58:50 UTC

It's the same with Luna, in a way, the way the book just assumes that of course she'd want to hang out with these kids even though they think she's as nuts as everyone else thinks she is.

I admit that even I (and I'm a huge, unabashed Luna fan who isn't even ashamed of it; look at my icon) was always put off by the way that Luna followed Harry and Co. around faithfully, though they were always put of by her. I just couldn't see Luna being with people who didn't like her as much as she'd like then.

But I just rationalized it by saying that:
a. Luna may have been more than a little blind to social cues, and probably thinks that the Golden Trio and their little sycophant Ginny might actually like her for herself, instead of keeping her around for her "comedy value"b. The idea of learning about the Trio's adventures in Hogwarts might intrigue her to the point where she does anything to get next to them and learn something about them. Maybe she's hoping to get an exclusive story for the Quibbler. As indeed does happen ( ... )

Re: Part two, because your summary is so huge! sistermagpie January 18 2005, 00:12:01 UTC

That's true about Neville, you know. You're right.

And Luna too. I mean, there are scenes where she stands up to the good guys because she doesn't care what they think. It just seems sort of like the reason she keeps following after them is because she's a character in this book so she's going to.

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