my stance on the death penalty

[stagger_lee77]

because silverambz asked...

this is cut so all the super liberals don't try to revoke my democrat pass--if you don't like my stance, don't read it!

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[joyce]

however, i can't seem to wrap my mind around this idea, because those same people are usually pro-choice.

This is one of the many reasons why I've been changing my mind on my pro-death-penalty stance lately; I've decided it's morally incompatible to be pro-life and pro-death-penalty.

[stagger_lee77]

kim says that she didn't know you were pro-life?

[joyce]

Well, it's not like I go out of my way to advertise it. They might revoke my liberal card. ;)

Seriously, I'm pro-life, but... most lifers are fucknuts. Life those people in South Dakota who just said "whoops, sorry, no more abortions for you people" without stepping up support programs, sex ed, and access to birth control? Fucking insane. Sex ed has to start in elementary school - and real sex ed, not just abstince bull shit - and free access to birth control has to start in middle school and adoption laws have to be liberalized in regards to single parents and queer couples before we can even think about banning or tightening down access abortion. Most lifers just want to ban it cold turkey without putting in the support programs necessary, and that's just wrong. So. I'm pro-life, but in a idealistic sense and in the hope that one day we will manage to get to where as a society 1) birth control is much more improved than it is even today and 2) every kid will be wanted by someone, somewhere. make sense?

[stagger_lee77]

are you pro-life under all circumstances?

[robyn_ma]

'this is cut so all the super liberals don't try to revoke my democrat pass'

I don't get behind the death penalty myself, but I don't demand that every lefty everywhere be 100% simpatico on every issue everywhere. That's just unrealistic.

[stagger_lee77]

you'd be surprised how many TRUE LIBERALS have told me that i'm a sorry excuse for a liberal because i believe in the death penalty... the right to bear arms... and because i haven't officially said it here yet, NO GAY MARRIAGE WITHOUT GAY DIVORCE!

[robyn_ma]

I wonder if any of the many gay couples who got married in Massachusetts after it was legalized here have split up since. You have to think that there had to be some folks who were like 'OMG WE'RE GAY! AND WE CAN GET MARRIED! AND WE LOVE EACH OTHER NOW! SO LET'S GET MARRIED!' aaaand then a few months later - 'Fuck, what have we done? I hate you!'...juuuust like any hetero couple that jumped into marriage without really thinking it through

[stagger_lee77]

if you don't want a nazi in your house don't let one don't know a fundamentalist 'til you've met one if you've memorized your civil rights don't forget one if you don't want an abortion don't get one
--consolidated, "butyric acid"

here be da rest of da lyrics: butyric acid--consolidated

true that about the death penalty--don't want to die? don't kill nobody.

i like guns... i think chris rock said it best: "guns mean i don't have to work out. you got pecs, and i got tecs [referring to the tec-9 fully automatic machine gun]." but i know that having a gun in *this* house would be a big no-no. basically, if i want a gun for protection against home invasion, then kim will tell me to find a new home.

i was raised around guns, and i know better than to play with a gun, even if i know i unloaded it. i've seen what happens when you do that--not cool.

plus, you ever notice that on those OMGZ GUNS+KIDS IN THE HOUSE=BRAIN MATTER ON THE WALLS commercials... it's always the kid that comes over to play that finds the gun?

[russdur]

See, this is why I'm a libertarian. It gives me the license to be liberal, but take on some conservative ideas too. I agree with you're death penality arguments, and while I, technically, don't feel that the government has the right to murder in teh name of the common good, I realize that governments have been wage war since before the dawn of mankind.

I have since reevaluated my stance on death penalties and decided that it needs to be both a punishment and a stronger deterent. Which is why I've been advocating for years the revivial of the medevil torture systems and death chambers. The Bush administration seems to be all about torture anyway, so I figure adding state sanctioned torture rooms in prisons wouldn't bee that far of a streach

[stagger_lee77]

that, i can agree with. i think that people that commit brutal murders should die in the same manner that they utilized to kill--but people say "oh waaaaah, it's cruel and unusual punishment." i think we should be allowed to use death row inmates as medical lab rats; we do it to servicemembers without their knowledge (or consent: i don't even want to think about what i've possibly been subjected to during my stint in the army). again, cruel and unusual punishment.

thomas edison invented the electric chair to discredit geo. westinghouse's claim that alternating current was safe enough to bring into neighborhoods and homes. TE's claim was, "AC power is dangerous-look at this chair i made. AC power is so dangerous, it can kill." look what we did with that knowledge.

[silverambz]

Thanks for sharing that

[stagger_lee77]

as a layperson, i don't think you can comfort a family through that. you can't say that you know what the person is going through, even if you have been raped, because you don't know EXACTLY what they're feeling or thinking.

part of me would love to advocate vigilante justice, but the more rational part of me knows that it's wrong.