Comments | stagger_lee77: my stance on the death penalty

stagger_lee77

my stance on the death penalty

Mar 25, 2006 20:27

because silverambz asked...

this is cut so all the super liberals don't try to revoke my democrat pass--if you don't like my stance, don't read it! ( yes those people deserve to die, and i hope they burn IN HELL! )

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joyce March 26 2006, 01:58:30 UTC

however, i can't seem to wrap my mind around this idea, because those same people are usually pro-choice.

This is one of the many reasons why I've been changing my mind on my pro-death-penalty stance lately; I've decided it's morally incompatible to be pro-life and pro-death-penalty.

stagger_lee77 March 26 2006, 02:01:18 UTC

kim says that she didn't know you were pro-life?

joyce March 26 2006, 02:09:32 UTC

Well, it's not like I go out of my way to advertise it. They might revoke my liberal card. ;)

Seriously, I'm pro-life, but... most lifers are fucknuts. Life those people in South Dakota who just said "whoops, sorry, no more abortions for you people" without stepping up support programs, sex ed, and access to birth control? Fucking insane. Sex ed has to start in elementary school - and real sex ed, not just abstince bull shit - and free access to birth control has to start in middle school and adoption laws have to be liberalized in regards to single parents and queer couples before we can even think about banning or tightening down access abortion. Most lifers just want to ban it cold turkey without putting in the support programs necessary, and that's just wrong. So. I'm pro-life, but in a idealistic sense and in the hope that one day we will manage to get to where as a society 1) birth control is much more improved than it is even today and 2) every kid will be wanted by someone, somewhere. make sense?

stagger_lee77 March 26 2006, 02:15:05 UTC

are you pro-life under all circumstances?

joyce March 26 2006, 03:42:17 UTC

I wibble on rape and incest - does one moral wrong make another moral wrong right? I do think that if the state is going to force the victim of rape or incest to carry the child to term, then they should foot the entire bill for the pregnancy, delivery, and adoption. And incest is tricky, anyhow - does one want to force a child to potentially live with the birth defects and other medical issues that are possible due to inbreeding? So, I wibble. I'm not going to condemn a victim of rape or incest who has an abortion (though, with rape, social programs, a society that doesn't shame rape victims so much that they don't seek help and access to services like the morning after pill can avert the issue in the first place). (Not that I'm going to condemn anyone; condemn's not the right word, but I can't think of a better one right now.) So, I wibble. I believe abortion is a moral wrong, but like I said, when you're already in a morally difficult situation, it may be the least wrong of the options ( ... )

stagger_lee77 March 26 2006, 03:57:28 UTC

i don't think we as a society should be able to tell a woman that has just experienced one of the worst traumas anyone could go through that she MUST have her baby. the least we could do during the aftermath of a rape is not foul up any of the choices that the victim has to make--she already has to decide whether or not she should report it, survive the rape kit experience, be tested for every STD under the sun, decide whether or not she should press charges, live the rest of her life with potentially dangerous triggers, relive all of the horrifying, harrowing, and painful details on the witness stand, feel helpless while a defense team attempts to shred her credibility... i don't even want to think about what an incest survivor would have to go through.

joyce March 26 2006, 12:29:55 UTC

... and those are precisely the reasons why I wibble.

stagger_lee77 March 26 2006, 13:35:12 UTC

i also don't like the "for the life of the mother/child" argument. what's the point of carrying the baby to term if the mother won't be alive to care for it?

joyce March 26 2006, 13:47:59 UTC

There is that.

I wonder what the stats are on elective abortions vs. rape/incest/danger to mother. I bet the latter is pretty rare.

stagger_lee77 March 26 2006, 13:57:58 UTC

i think that the latter is exceedingly rare, just because the chances of a woman actually reporting the rape and realizing that what happened isn't her fault are lower than her going into a clinic and just asking for an abortion.

off-topic: dude, my laptop decided that i have no need to be able to see the screen. it's on, but the screen is a black hole of doom. you or jeff got any ideas?

joyce March 26 2006, 16:55:28 UTC

I've no idea. He says "the vast majority of the time laptop screen issues are hardware related. Laptops have the ability of supporting an external monitor. This is selected by the keyboard, for example of my laptop it is Fn+F8. It's possible this was activated inadvertently and the laptop is not reverting to the normal display. Try setting it back to the internal display. If this doesn't work, turn the laptop off, let it cool down completely, and turn it back on. If the display does not come on AT ALL, it's a hardware problem. Let me know what happens."

stagger_lee77 March 26 2006, 18:07:34 UTC

bet! thanks! with my luck, the puppy jumped on the laptop or something...

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