It wasn't there...

[sstormwatch]

The book I mentioned before, where I thought I had finally found that was supposed to include Henry VIII's sumptuary laws... well I finally sat down and was reading through the sections as I had run across the proper dates to look under

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[sewloud]

as someone linked to a large university let me see if I can access it through temple and find you what you need. I'm buried up to my neck in a 15 page research paper but when I resurface on Friday I promise to dig for you.

[sstormwatch]

Thank you. That would be great, and I am under no time constraints, so whenever you have time.

[sewloud]

I shall consider it my reward to go digging for fun references as soon as my evil paper is done :-)

[ciorstan]

The way to possibly find the statutes are to find the actual parliamentary acts that enter statutory law into effect. They're referred to by a system of citation that refers to the year of the monarch's reign, in this instance, the short citation would probably be 1 or 2 Hen VIII (chapter no) and 24 Hen VIII (chapter no

[sstormwatch]

Thank you!! This does help a lot, but I still want to get a copy of the original writings. Especially since this is the first time I've seen "purple cloth of gold" being restricted, along with purple silk, and crimson and blue velvet.

The articles I've been looking at are much older, as they do mention the other two statutes, but consider them "minor changes" but don't discuss what exactly the changes were.

I didn't realize Hayward's book was available online. It is an expensive book, and with recent hits in my husband's salary, it will be awhile before I buy it, and my local libraries do not have it, nor can they get it via ILL just yet (some ways we may be a big city, but in other ways we are rather backwater).

[ciorstan]

Then I would start by googling 24 Henry VIII c 13 as Cromwell, being trained by Wolsey (both excellent lawyers before becoming chancellor) would have included language detailing the three preceding statutes modified in the 1533 law.

::snerk::

It included a 'get out of jail free' card:

Over this it is enacted by the authority aforesaid that all other Acts made for reformation of excess in apparel or array at any time before this present Parliament, and all and singular articles provisions forfeitures and penalties mentioned in the said former Acts or any of them, be from
henceforth utterly repelled extinct and of none effect And all
transgressions offences sums of money penalties and forfeitures for anything done contrary to the said former Acts or any of them before this time made for the Reformation of excess in apparel clearly remitted, pardoned and released, and the offenders in that behalf and every of them be thereof discharged and acquitted for ever.Anyway, I found this paper

[sstormwatch]

Thanks again. And it is interesting to see that in this new paper also states that the full statute is noted as being the same I thought it was, Statutes of the Realm vol 3.

And doing the google search you suggested what leads I could find between portions of Lost and V seem to again lead to Statutes, and that the few that almost lead there required either going to Parliament in person, or a special access site.

I really appreciate the time you've spent on gathering this info for me. Thank you.

[ciorstan]

De nada. I love digging around like this

[ciorstan]

Oh, one more thing. Beware the way the regnal year falls. Henry's goes from 22 April to 21 April. You occasionally end up with such oddities as 34 & 35, Hen VIII, c.4, the bankruptcy statute I mentioned elsewhere-- it was entered into Parliament in one regnal year but not actually given final royal approval (the equivalent of the President's signature, I guess) until the next year.

[sstormwatch]

Ok, will keep that in mind.

And I am glad someone is enjoying their job.