It probably didn't help that Yes on 8 was calling GLBT people and telling them to vote yes, either.
That one passed? I didn't know. I mean, I like chickens, but I like people more than chickens. (Although chickens, certainly tastier.) That's really kind of sad. How can anyone vote to take away rights from people?
I think it's the people who don't know any queer people personally, or who don't think they know any, and they're defeating the faceless children-corrupting boogeyman.
It's so awful that Prop 8 passed. And it's awful that Obama is so backwards on this issue. I supported him, I voted for him, I'm hugely glad he won, and certainly an Obama administration will be better in general for LGBT rights than a McCain one would have been. But. He's wrong on gay marriage, and it sucks that he, of all people, is willing to deny some folks their equal rights.
I thought California would be better than that, you know?
And I wish Obama were better than that, and it really upsets me that a lot of queer people I've seen seem to think he is the candidate of their dreams. Because, well, he doesn't support marriage, which I think, these days, you kind of have to to be the dream GLBT candidate. (Objections about marriage = assimilation notwithstanding.) So now I'm feeling kind of guilty voting for him because if I can't be proud of California, I should have at least voted my dream GLBT-rights candidate, and I didn't.
There was a dream candidate running for president?
Sorry, editing because that came off as really flippant. What I meant is that despite Obama's failure on gay marriage, he's still far, far better than any other available choice. Including on gay rights: unlike McCain, he opposed Proposition 8. And he at least believes in civil unions with fully equivalent legal rights, unlike McCain. So I'm not saying "LGBT people should just STFU because their issues don't count as much as electing a Democrat." Voting for Obama was still a vote for more LGBT rights, despite his failure to support gay marriage.
I'm really really sorry to hear that, and it makes me so sad. I don't know a lot about the U.S., but I always got the impression that California was better than that as well. I also don't know a lot about American politics, but I hope that Prop H8te (I mean... 8) can somehow be reversed in the near future.
I was sick to hear that Prop 8 passed. I donated money to the No campaign and was hopeful. How could California, of all places, vote to deny rights to people? (I am hoping, however, that the lawsuit will successfully challenge it.)
I didn't give anything to No on 8 specifically, but we made a donation in eruthros and m_shell's name to Equality California when they got married in June, so.
I am really sad right now.
(And I know, I live in MA, I can still get married, but geez, California...)
A donation's a donation! *nods* I'm sad as well. I hold dual U.S. and Canadian citizenship, so I could get married (if you know, I was actually in a relationship) in Canada, but still. A historic election, but we're still fighting the culture war. *sighs*
I hear that the main push for Prop 8 was made by out-of-state Mormons. In any case, they're certainly taking credit for its passing.
Call me a crazy straight guy, but perhaps the LGBT community could show its "appreciation" to all those non-Californians butting in on CA's business... by treating Salt Lake City to weekly Pride parades. Turn Provo into the new P-town, etc.
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I think it sucks that they think more highly of the rights of farm animals than of the rights of human beings.
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That one passed? I didn't know. I mean, I like chickens, but I like people more than chickens. (Although chickens, certainly tastier.) That's really kind of sad. How can anyone vote to take away rights from people?
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It's very sad. I never understood that, either. How can you hurt another person that way?
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I don't know. They suck.
I'm just angry. And sad.
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And I wish Obama were better than that, and it really upsets me that a lot of queer people I've seen seem to think he is the candidate of their dreams. Because, well, he doesn't support marriage, which I think, these days, you kind of have to to be the dream GLBT candidate. (Objections about marriage = assimilation notwithstanding.) So now I'm feeling kind of guilty voting for him because if I can't be proud of California, I should have at least voted my dream GLBT-rights candidate, and I didn't.
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Sorry, editing because that came off as really flippant. What I meant is that despite Obama's failure on gay marriage, he's still far, far better than any other available choice. Including on gay rights: unlike McCain, he opposed Proposition 8. And he at least believes in civil unions with fully equivalent legal rights, unlike McCain. So I'm not saying "LGBT people should just STFU because their issues don't count as much as electing a Democrat." Voting for Obama was still a vote for more LGBT rights, despite his failure to support gay marriage.
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If by that, you only mean McCain. There are actually other choices.
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*offers hugs as well*
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I think people are suing, but, still. I expected better of them in the first place.
Sigh.
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I am really sad right now.
(And I know, I live in MA, I can still get married, but geez, California...)
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*hugs*
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Call me a crazy straight guy, but perhaps the LGBT community could show its "appreciation" to all those non-Californians butting in on CA's business... by treating Salt Lake City to weekly Pride parades. Turn Provo into the new P-town, etc.
It'd certainly make Utah a little more fun.
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