Seriously. TV. Show. Not life or death.

[secrets_and_lie]

(warning: I use the F word. Don't read if that bothers you.)

Guys, guys. Take a chill pill. It's a TV show. Rob Thomas is not the devil incarnate. It's highly unlikely that he deliberately wants to destroy everything you once loved about the show. And I seriously doubt he hates Logan. Seriously. Doubt. It. If he wanted to sabotage the

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[afrocurl]

I'm not going to have at you at all. I was thinking something similar last night while talking to leucocrystal.

I put a certain amount of faith in the showrunner and go from there. Whining won't make what anything that happens better, and it shouldn't matter in some respects--if you love the show, just enjoy it.

[secrets_and_lie]

Well, I get whining. It has been deeply frustrating to me to see the various messes this season that could so easily have been avoided. I just have a problem with hate. In any venue, really. But this one is kind of spoiling my fun. I end up feeling like I must be some kind of idiot for not feeling the same intense anger.

[afrocurl]

I should say that I get the whining to a point--find some place to bitch and then let it go.

I'm having a huge problem with hate right now, too. You aren't the only one feeling like an idiot for not being so angry (I will put myself if that camp.)

I'm on AIM if you want to talk more there.

[secrets_and_lie]

Oh, I'm okay. But thanks for the offer.

[secrets_and_lie]

You're very welcome to friend me! Welcome aboard. :) It's great to know I'm not alone in this strange kind of middle ground.

[secrets_and_lie]

this one thing he did is one of those Very Wrong things I can't forgive.

I can relate to this; I feel the same about a different showrunner, also for personal reasons. I won't say his name only because I don't want him ego googling, but his initials are KW and he's got a show coming up on the CW that I hope tanks big time. But I see his Achilles heel sabotaging his career, so I'm content. The same may happen to RT, who knows?

I love that you created grave_watchers, and I have no intention of joining. :) But maybe if there's a place for like-minded big-time venting, it won't spill out into other places quite as much. I'd be grateful for that. I obviously don't mind criticisms of the show -- I agree with many of them myself. It's the RT As Antichrist that gets to me

[nessaassen]

Hello, voice of perspective. I was hoping I would see you around today. I'm really sorry fandom's getting you down.

And I seriously doubt he hates Logan. Seriously. Doubt. It. You probably already know how I feel about this. It isn't that I think (or have ever thought) that he hates Logan. But I do think that as a writer, he feels trapped by the characters and situations he's created (especially L/V). I still believe that the Madison storyline happened because he desperately wanted to open up the show, to move away from L/V, to find ground he was excited about writing rather than a relationship that feels more and more claustrophobic (to him as a writer, I mean). His FBI proposal also strikes me as a manifestation of this boredom and dissatisfaction as a writer--that's the story he's suggested he's wanted to tell for awhile, not Nancy Drew the college years, so it makes sense he's throwing it out there

[secrets_and_lie]

Hello, voice of perspective. I was hoping I would see you around today.

Hee. Can that be my new username? I love it!

I agree wholeheartedly with you that the FBI idea is his way of trying to rekindle his excitement. It totally reads that way to me. And there's much about this season that in retrospect absolutely reeks of writer boredom. (And there you have my thoughts on the switch in formats in a nutshell. :) ) But I'm still not sure how he feels about Logan/Veronica in the long run. I can read things at least two ways. More on that in the FBI post, but in essence, I feel an overwhelming need to know whether RT is planning to ask JD onto the FBI show. I don't care if it gets greenlit or not, I just want to know if that's his plan! I lust for that bit of information. It shapes my reaction to his choices THIS season. I want to know, dammit!

In truth, I'm okay that people are rabid about stories and fiction. I believe in that, for lots of reasons.

As a writer, I'm delighted that this is the case. I want people to invest

[nessaassen]

, I feel an overwhelming need to know whether RT is planning to ask JD onto the FBI show.

If RT was planning on asking JD, wouldn't he have put JD in the mini-trailer he shot for the network? Or leaked that he was hoping to bring both of them forward? He knows how popular JD and Logan are. (I also wonder if the network will try and make him keep JD, no matter what he wants, if they greenlight the format shift.)

I think RT has some serious subconscious issues around women and power and sexuality, but I would bet real money that he has no idea that he has said issues.

My snarky answer to this is that his therapist must have told him (back when he was having all those sexual jealousy issues), but that he didn't believe her. :) Otherwise, I see what you mean. I guess whether his misogyny is conscious or subconscious doesn't make much difference to me these days, since it's so clearly shaping the text in the way you've described.

God help JK Rowling if she kills Harry. That fandom will probably draw and quarter her and then cut out

[secrets_and_lie]

If RT was planning on asking JD, wouldn't he have put JD in the mini-trailer he shot for the network? Or leaked that he was hoping to bring both of them forward? I don't think he's happy about the fact that ANY of it leaked. So I doubt he's thinking about fan response right now. That'll come later, if the FBI show actually gets picked up. Right now he's got to be all about his song and dance to the network

[sowell]

I guess I feel the need to blame someone, and RT is the guy. So there it is. It's pretty juvenile - that I fully admit - but like Wendy said above, we as fans are ultimately powerless in getting to hear the story we want. It both feeds my anger and makes me feel better about everything to see other people reacting with the same virulence

[nessaassen]

And it certainly magnifies everything, but I'm willing to take the extra bitterness for the support that goes along with it, I guess.

I agree with this a lot; it makes me feel better to vent with people. But also in general, the community aspect of fandom is really important to me, in hate as much as love. I guess a community bonded by bitterness is still community to me? And I've really loved this community a lot, as much as the show even.

The show could go a lot of different ways from here, but at this point, it's cancellation I'm pulling for. . . I have to worry about MY sanity first and foremost

I second this.

[leucocrystal]

I agree with this a lot; it makes me feel better to vent with people. But also in general, the community aspect of fandom is really important to me, in hate as much as love. I guess a community bonded by bitterness is still community to me? And I've really loved this community a lot, as much as the show even.

Again, a very big "WORD" to this.  Honestly, if it weren't for the community aspect?  (And I'm pretty sure Tamar had a post entirely dedicated to the nature of the beast that is fandom a while back, so, heh, irony!)  I wouldn't have been nearly as invested in VM as I am today.  It's pretty crazy, but it's something I love being a part of, during both swells of the tide, so to speak.

And of course, I think the biggest lure of the Internet, no matter what you're surfing for, is the feeling that, "No, I'm not alone."

[secrets_and_lie]

It both feeds my anger and makes me feel better about everything to see other people reacting with the same virulence.This I understand. In fact, I understand all of it. When you're in the midst of the feeling, it's very, I don't know, not reassuring exactly, but comforting to be surrounded by people who all feel the same heartache and anger