Sbabe, I'm with you here. When I first heard the spoiler and saw the frak chart, my immediate reaction was like a lot of people's. Ain't no way Helo would be fooled. But once I got over the initial shipper reaction and thought about it, I came to many of the same conclusions as you. I've posted some of them at Kindreds in the a thread devoted to Tahmoh's TV Guide article where the author of the article spilled the beans to an extent. Boomer certainly is the Eight at the top of the list of those who could fool Helo - much of Athena is Boomer and that cannot be denied. And as I said to MDJ in her post, Helo isn't a Cylon - we've only seen Cylons know Cylons off the bat, never humans
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I started to go to Kindreds to check it out, but then I realized that there and skiffy were likely to be the most dangerous places for me, right now, because of the potential for Helo-bashing. If you say it's not too bad, I may go ahead and pop in... :/
I think Helo and Athena love each other too much to not be reconciled, but the damage has been done. They'll never be the same. And yeah, very powerful. *sob*
I haven't been at either place since noon, but, yes, people in each place are saying they don't find it believable that Helo wouldn't know Athena - some others are countering. Although I haven't read every post carefully, I didn't immediately see anyone saying anything hateful. More of the shock, dismay, and sadness type.
That all being said, I am so happy that it wasn't Caprica who took Hera. And I really believe they're setting it up for her and Baltar to be the ones to finally bring her home. I just hope they bring her home to both of her parents, rather than having to become her parents because my Agathons are dead. *whimper* Whimpering right along with you. Word to the above paragraph, and word to everything else, too. Yes, yes, yes again. Hera's had enough upheaval in her life already. The last thing she needs is to adjust to a third set of parents, especially when one of them's Gaius Baltar. I want Caprica to stay Auntie, and Mommy and Daddy to be fine. After they get a lot of couple's therapy, that is
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The difference I saw between the mob and Boomer was apart from Zarek, Coonor and the rapist guys, everybody could be seen acting out of genuine fear of the Cylons and Adama who frankly hasn't been himself since Earth (he's turned into a suicidal drunk :( )...Boomer acted out her revenge against Athena for nothing but PURE EVIL. If she was sooo in love with Chief for real, why in the frak would she go right off and psychologically rape Athena by making her watch as she moaned under HER husband? ICK. NO compassion for her at all anymore
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I LOVED the Kara/Sam parts of this episode. I can see how Athena/Helo of Boomer/Chief people would be crushed, though. :( Helo beg/buy/stealing Kara's stuff back was SO sweet and I'm so happy those two kids are on good terms again. (And Hera was obviously familiar with Uncle Kara and I still totally think that Kara built her viper-mobile. *g*) Though I'm a little irked that people wouldn't just give her stuff back since it's... her stuff!
I didn't get the impression that Hotdog had died (oh, Nicky! He can't have!) And they wouldn't kill Laura so undramatically, right?! But I'm not so sanguine about the Eight; her eyes looked slightly open when she was lying in the brig. I just can't hate him though, either. Aaron was amazing.
Dude. Tyrol is a Cylon. Boomer is a Cylon. Guess what? Athena is a Cylon and knew it was Boomer just by looking at her, tooNo kidding! I understand a certain amount of "Oh, Helo honey, NO" (because I was saying that to the TV too), but actually blaming him? But oh
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I know I'll probably see some crap on the 'nets about how Tahmoh or Grace couldn't act their way out of a paper bag, but IMHO, they and Katee and Aaron really brought it in this ep. All four of them were amazing.
I really liked Daniel Slick, too. I hope we see him again.
The Kara and Sam parts? Awesome. She so loves him. And she's finally accepted it, herself, which is something she's been fighting against for so long. She loves him. (And my fic hasn't been jossed yet! Woohoo! Here's hoping I can finish and post it before it does. :P)
This episode was purely amazing, but kind of emotionally draining if you know what I'm saying. I loved how it was played out but some scenes were just painful to watch (the Helo and Boomer sex stuff while Athena was hidden semi-unconscious in the bathroom stall, for one).
I guess when they mean the final episodes are gonna hurt, they really mean it.
Re: people dissing Helo even more than they already are is just kinda bullshit, on their end anyway. I mean yes it was horrible what happened but HELO CANNOT KNOW! He is not a Cylon, and that is one of the fundamentally challenging and perhaps dangerous thing about being in love with a Cylon, there are many copies and humans don't have that ability to tell one copy from the other. Athena thought that Boomer was just another Eight until she finally got a good look at her, but by then it was too late. I can understand the frustration about having the one you love sleeping with another, but it's more difficult concerning Cylons especially if the other Cylon is actually playing with that
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Well, Athena played the role of Boomer back in Season 1. That's how Hera was conceived. If Helo could forgive her for those lies, hopefully she can forgive him for the lesser offense of being fooled again. Although short-term, she's totally justified in being deeply pissed. I just hope she doesn't mimic his Season 1 actions so closely that she shoots him!
But you're right. Humans can't know, not without some physical mark as a clue. Old!Athena had a bullet wound and a C-section scar. New Athena doesn't. That which allowed her to come back to him after he killed her has now come back to haunt them. But if there are going to be Cylons on Galactica long-term, they SERIOUSLY need to consider getting tattoos of their names for identification purposes.
I was critical of Helo not recognizing that was Boomer, but given a theory I've long held about his relationship with Athena (not really H/A shipper friendly) his mistake does make sense to me. What I really hate is the fans seem to be putting more thought into his actions then the show did. Once again, Ron thought it would be cool to do something just because it seemed so wrong. :(
No way would they kill Laura off off camera. I wouldn't be surprised to see her gravely ill next week though.
Hot Dog looked well clear of the explosion and I could have sworn I saw two vipors intact at the end of the scene.
I don't think I'm going to be able to forgive Tryol. He killed a Cylon and his actions led to Athena being savagely attacked as well as the loss of Hera. I don't know how he can come back from that unless he ends up sacrificing his life to save Hera's.
Once again, Ron thought it would be cool to do something just because it seemed so wrong.
Exactly. I'm less concerned about Helo's actors and thoughts and more about Boomer's, which really probably boil down to "go with it or more cover will be blown".
Hush. Random!Eight is still alive. Tyrol isn't Zarek: when he hits people with wrenches, it's not fatal. So there. Why yes, I am enjoying my trip down this river of denial. But seriously, Random!Eight better be concussed only (she didn't look dead in the split second we saw her in the cell, so maybe she's okay). Otherwise Tyrol will be on my shit list for damn sure
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Even if that Eight is alive, Tyrol is still on my shit list. ;)
You summed up my theory! Helo was in love with Boomer. He believed Boomer was the one who came back for him on Caprica. He believed he was having sex with Boomer on Caprica. So who is he really in love with? Helo has never addressed his feelings and now he's shown he can't tell the two apart! Sadly, I think it's going to remain the elephant in the room because I don't feel there is time to explore the issue. Unless we come back next week and see Athena throwing his crap out into the corridor.
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I started to go to Kindreds to check it out, but then I realized that there and skiffy were likely to be the most dangerous places for me, right now, because of the potential for Helo-bashing. If you say it's not too bad, I may go ahead and pop in... :/
I think Helo and Athena love each other too much to not be reconciled, but the damage has been done. They'll never be the same. And yeah, very powerful. *sob*
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Whimpering right along with you. Word to the above paragraph, and word to everything else, too. Yes, yes, yes again. Hera's had enough upheaval in her life already. The last thing she needs is to adjust to a third set of parents, especially when one of them's Gaius Baltar. I want Caprica to stay Auntie, and Mommy and Daddy to be fine. After they get a lot of couple's therapy, that is ( ... )
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I LOVED the Kara/Sam parts of this episode. I can see how Athena/Helo of Boomer/Chief people would be crushed, though. :( Helo beg/buy/stealing Kara's stuff back was SO sweet and I'm so happy those two kids are on good terms again. (And Hera was obviously familiar with Uncle Kara and I still totally think that Kara built her viper-mobile. *g*) Though I'm a little irked that people wouldn't just give her stuff back since it's... her stuff!
I didn't get the impression that Hotdog had died (oh, Nicky! He can't have!) And they wouldn't kill Laura so undramatically, right?! But I'm not so sanguine about the Eight; her eyes looked slightly open when she was lying in the brig. I just can't hate him though, either. Aaron was amazing.
Dude. Tyrol is a Cylon. Boomer is a Cylon. Guess what? Athena is a Cylon and knew it was Boomer just by looking at her, tooNo kidding! I understand a certain amount of "Oh, Helo honey, NO" (because I was saying that to the TV too), but actually blaming him? But oh ( ... )
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I know I'll probably see some crap on the 'nets about how Tahmoh or Grace couldn't act their way out of a paper bag, but IMHO, they and Katee and Aaron really brought it in this ep. All four of them were amazing.
I really liked Daniel Slick, too. I hope we see him again.
The Kara and Sam parts? Awesome. She so loves him. And she's finally accepted it, herself, which is something she's been fighting against for so long. She loves him. (And my fic hasn't been jossed yet! Woohoo! Here's hoping I can finish and post it before it does. :P)
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I guess when they mean the final episodes are gonna hurt, they really mean it.
Re: people dissing Helo even more than they already are is just kinda bullshit, on their end anyway. I mean yes it was horrible what happened but HELO CANNOT KNOW! He is not a Cylon, and that is one of the fundamentally challenging and perhaps dangerous thing about being in love with a Cylon, there are many copies and humans don't have that ability to tell one copy from the other. Athena thought that Boomer was just another Eight until she finally got a good look at her, but by then it was too late. I can understand the frustration about having the one you love sleeping with another, but it's more difficult concerning Cylons especially if the other Cylon is actually playing with that ( ... )
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But you're right. Humans can't know, not without some physical mark as a clue. Old!Athena had a bullet wound and a C-section scar. New Athena doesn't. That which allowed her to come back to him after he killed her has now come back to haunt them. But if there are going to be Cylons on Galactica long-term, they SERIOUSLY need to consider getting tattoos of their names for identification purposes.
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No way would they kill Laura off off camera. I wouldn't be surprised to see her gravely ill next week though.
Hot Dog looked well clear of the explosion and I could have sworn I saw two vipors intact at the end of the scene.
I don't think I'm going to be able to forgive Tryol. He killed a Cylon and his actions led to Athena being savagely attacked as well as the loss of Hera. I don't know how he can come back from that unless he ends up sacrificing his life to save Hera's.
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Exactly. I'm less concerned about Helo's actors and thoughts and more about Boomer's, which really probably boil down to "go with it or more cover will be blown".
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You summed up my theory! Helo was in love with Boomer. He believed Boomer was the one who came back for him on Caprica. He believed he was having sex with Boomer on Caprica. So who is he really in love with? Helo has never addressed his feelings and now he's shown he can't tell the two apart! Sadly, I think it's going to remain the elephant in the room because I don't feel there is time to explore the issue. Unless we come back next week and see Athena throwing his crap out into the corridor.
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