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astri13 March 11 2013, 18:40:19 UTC
But should a half-Royal creature look like he stuck his face into a tub of unexpectedly hot gelatin capsules that fused with his skin?

I think the royals themselves are human? And that`s why they would look down on a half-breed like Renard.

Of course, Nick could make him human-human via his own blood now. Just like he did to Adalind. I wonder if this is something Renard would want or consider longterm. Or if that might already be part of his plan, he doesn`t really use his Wesen side for powers or anything.

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rheasilvia March 11 2013, 18:50:29 UTC
We don't know whether they're human or not yet - sure, it's possible, but I doubt it. Grimms look human too and aren't, and I don't really see a completely human clan of rulers fighting their way to the top of the Wesen world.

Looking down on a halfbreed makes sense no matter what Royals are. Hey, even if he were totally human, people could still look downh on him for being a bastard. It's easy to find reasons to look down on people.

Hm, interesting thought about the Grimm blood. If the Royals aren't human, would Grimm blood make Renard entirely Royal...? He might want that, since he doesn't seem to enarmored of his Hexenbiest side.

I very much doubt he'd want to go full human, though, given his ambitions. Since I don't think the royals are human, I'm pretty sure being human would rule Renard out once and for all, even more so than being a halfbreed Hexenbiest bastard.

I look forward to finding out more about the Royals, and if they do have any powers - maybe just longevity or affinity to magic or something...

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frogspace March 12 2013, 20:16:41 UTC
If the Royals aren't human, would Grimm blood make Renard entirely Royal...?

I think so, yes. Or, if his Hexenbiest parent was human under the Hexenbiest, it might make him Royal/human instead of Royal/Hexenbiest.

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rheasilvia March 12 2013, 23:03:15 UTC
What do you mean by the possibility of Renard being Royal under the Hexenbiest? I hadn't thought the property of being a Hexenbiest was somehow grafted onto a template, as it were - is there any indication for that? So far, it seems to me that they're just another type of Wesen, who procreate in the usual way. :-)

Or do you assume all of the Wesen were human at one point in the distant past, and transformed into supernatural creatures in some way...? it's an interesting thought, but what made you think of it like this?

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twelve_pastels March 12 2013, 03:33:02 UTC
I am SO EXCITED that this show is back on it's practically unhealthy ( ... )

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rheasilvia March 12 2013, 23:30:29 UTC
a narrative of the Wesen fleeing the Old World to come to North America where they could more or less live as they pleased

Yes, I definitely see that aspect in there too. I don't like it, though - the usual dusty old (and blatantly false) narrative clichés about Crumbling Decadent Old Europe Hopelessly Stuck in the Decaying Ruins of a Long-Gone Past, as opposed to the Fresh Dynamic Vigorous New World with New Ideas and Modern Outlook, tend to put my hackles up. So I try to ignore this dichotomy as much as possible. :-)

When it comes down to it, Nick Burkhardt is from the Sam Vimes school of policing; it doesn't matter what he was born as, because now he's copper through and through.Hmm. I do think it matters what he was born as, though, because I think Nick is a natural policeman expressly *because* he is a Grimm. My theory is that Grimms used to be - and are meant to be - the policemen of the Wesen world. But something went wrong along the way, and they became brutal bullies and enforcers in the service of the Royals ( ... )

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twelve_pastels March 13 2013, 19:29:58 UTC
Crumbling Decadent Old Europe Hopelessly Stuck in the Decaying Ruins of a Long-Gone Past, as opposed to the Fresh Dynamic Vigorous New World with New Ideas and Modern Outlook

This is basically how the Americas deal with the fact that 1) they were originally founded as a business venture, and 2) they have a major inferiority complex in the face of what they perceive as an already established, dominant, and respected culture as compared to what they've managed to cobble together.

My theory is that Grimms used to be - and are meant to be - the policemen of the Wesen world. But something went wrong along the way, and they became brutal bullies and enforcers in the service of the Royals.

EXACTLY.

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