Sherlock and Doctor Who: Moffat, STOP IT

[redknightalex]

Moffat says We're Doing it Wrong.

...or something to that effect.

Don't you remember all of the interview and tweets Moffat would put out saying that we had no fucking clue as to what was really going on with the Doctor, River, Amy, Rory, etc etc etc in Series 6? Remember how annoying they were, particularly when the ending made so little sense

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[annissag]

Is anyone other than myself really annoyed at his antics of "nah nah nah, I'm smarted than you!"?

Nope. I can't stand it. Especially when he follows up with something like, "Hush!"

I've been avoiding Sherlock spoilers because I genuinely enjoy the show and I'd like to watch the second season when it airs on PBS this Spring, but I worry that my low opinion of Moffat (which continues to go lower and lower) will make me unable to see the good in what he does. The man is talented; I can't argue against that. But he's also an egotistical misogynist and I have some serious issues with that.

[redknightalex]

He's the first writer/head that I've come across that will go out of their way to tell the audience that they missed something. Even with Battlestar Galactica's ending, with Ronald D. Moore giving out hints, he never told they audience they weren't looking hard enough. He gave us a big picture and told us the symbolism ofi t all (it was a remake of the last supper and gave us clues to what would happen next; very clever). In fact, most writers don't want you to know because then the surprise would be ruined so why entice someone to go look for it? Idk

[jessicaqueen]

I hope to hell that there's some deeper substance to Steven Moffat that we never see, because if his public image accurately represents him, he just might be one of the biggest tools in the world this side of Charlie Sheen.

You're so spot on. The reason the public doesn't guess his big 'twists' is that they tend to be ridiculous and sometimes completely senseless. I think I need to go watch that skit again now. So hilarious.

[redknightalex]

He really needs a PR spokesperson to keep a lid on some of the really obnoxious things he says. I'm not sure he'd listen though.

It would really be hard to top Charlie Sheen in levels of tool-ness...and now I really want someone to compile Moffat's tweets and interviews for a meta on his utterly crappy PR/attitude. Over time, they get buried and (mostly) forgotten.

The reason the public doesn't guess his big 'twists' is that they tend to be ridiculous and sometimes completely senseless.

And when we expect "twists" we think not of something ridiculous/senseless but something that is, shockingly, a real twist that isn't OOC. That's probably why no one "gets it."

That skit cures all Moffat ills, I'm sure of it.

[kilodalton]

It would really be hard to top Charlie Sheen in levels of tool-ness...and now I really want someone to compile Moffat's tweets and interviews for a meta on his utterly crappy PR/attitude. Over time, they get buried and (mostly) forgotten.

The problem is that then his stans try to handwave it at him 'making jokes' that we, of course, are too stupid and don't have a good enough sense of humor to get -.- Sometimes people just see what they want to see unfortunately =/

[redknightalex]

And I hate it when people don't understand that, yeah, sometimes words do hurt more than fucking sticks. Sexist, racist, homophobic, etc etc jokes are not funny and there's nothing in the world that will make them funny. End of story. (Sorry, slight trigger point apparently.)

It sucks to see a show I love turn against me by stupid remarks the showrunner makes with no regard to what it might actually mean. And even if I might stan for some people, I can at least admit their flaws (yeah, RTD went slightly overboard with EoT and Miracle Day but at least he didn't go on Twitter and gloat about it). And I've read my fair share of stans for Moffat, most of which have an argument about an inch thin for why he says what he does.

No excuse for making "those jokes" in my book.

[_thirty2flavors]

LOL REMEMBER THAT TIME RIVER'S ~~~ASTOUNDING, MINDBLOWING~ IDENTITY WAS... exactly what everyone thought it was after her first episode in 2008?

Even before ep3 of Sherlock aired I'd been making Tessellecta/Reichenbach jokes, but it took me a while to go the other way and realize that, gosh, I wonder where Moffat got the idea of the Doctor faking his death in front of his friends to lower his profile. Ugh.

[redknightalex]

LOL, OMG GOOD TIMES BACK IN 2008! WOOT WOOT....wait....

I wonder where Moffat got the idea of the Doctor faking his death in front of his friends to lower his profile.

.... *headdesk* Can't think of any new, original, or exciting ideas that came after the 1890s, Moffat? Ugh.

[_thirty2flavors]

I mean, literally every single facet of River the Internet guessed as soon as it was possible. When she said she killed someone, we knew it was the Doctor. When the kid regenerated, we knew it was River and suspected it was the Pond baby. The only reason people DIDN'T think those things was because they seemed so stupid or too obvious and people assumed the ~genius Moffat must have something better. When Eleven died in TIA, everyone capable of reasoning knew it had to be a fake. UGH i am just so tired of hearing about how great he is at suspense and mystery lol.

[redknightalex]

So that means we can talk about ~awesome character development? LOLZ

[redknightalex]

I've heard Moffat being referred to as a troll before so that doesn't surprise me. It's just bizarre because it's his own creations he's trolling, not something someone else made. At least I find it strange.

I know what is probably considered a "general" knowledge of the ACD's Sherlock Holmes and the stories. I've read half-way through "A Study in Scarlet," watched the newer movies, watched the first series from BBC, and read up on the general canon via Wikipedia. I know of the fight with Moriarty and the cliff fall (and how Doyle was pressured to bring him back) so after reading the episode titles for Series 2, I knew pretty much what would happen. On a general level of course.

It's Moffat's "trolling" that gets me, regardless of the story or whatever plot device we don't see that he has planned.

[anna_sg1]

NGL I totally LOLed hard at people losing their collective shit on the internet over the possibility that Moffat MIGHT ACTUALLY KILL SHERLOCK HOLMES! :D :D :D :D Fandom, you always amuse me. Have you not seen Doctor Who? Did we not estabilsh that he doesn't kill anybody? Even River got to live an eternity in the Matrix... pardon, the library.

[_thirty2flavors]

ALSO

DOES NO ONE IN SHERLOCK FANDOM KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SHERLOCK HOLMES CANON AT ALL?

I CAN'T GET OVER THIS LOL

I'm not saying you need to be an expert in ACD's stories to watch the show but it's just -- Reichenbach is such a huge pop culture thing, I am baffled by how many people had apparently never heard of it/did not know how it played out/etc.

[anna_sg1]

I KNOW RIIIIGHT??? I was sooo tempted to respond to all those people with SPOILER: HE SURVIVES!

It's only... what... a century old story. :|

And I get people being all - OMG it's the last episode already, we have to wait another year for more - but these were GENUINE concers that Holmes might really die this time. COZ MOFFAT AND ~GODTISS ARE JUST SO SNEAKY AND CRAFTY OMG THEY MIGHT DO ITTT. *eyeroll*

[redknightalex]

I have to admit that I knew so little about Sherlock Holmes when the show stared a few years ago that I went and looked it up on Wikipedia. It may be that American education is so lacking in everything that I missed it but none of the books, or stories, were read in any of my classes. Not even in college. I did read Uris' Trinity if that counts at all. And "Much Ado About Nothing" in 7th grade when no one understood any of the language, much less the jokes.

If I had not done a bit of research (or even seen the new movies ffs) I might have been freaking out...then realized that the show is too popular for them to kill Sherlock and Moffat would need to do an ACD allover again. "Psyche! JUST KIDDING!"