The fun continues (politics)

[purchasemonkey]

   Yet more of the right wing shooting itself in the foot:
Protesters hurl slurs and spit at Democrats.
   Remember how the hippie assholes of the 60's are held up as objects of ridicule (and rightly so) for spitting on soldiers and calling them "baby killers" during the Vietnam War? Yeah. That.

Comments

[palecur]

These events are swarming with cameras and video recording devices, yet there's no footage anywhere to back up the claims. Given the established rhetoric of couching any opposition to the Administration's policies as being motivated by racism, you'll understand if I remain skeptical about the claims until some sort of substantiation happens.

[merlinofchaos]

Is remaining skeptical of the claims the same as calling 4 members of Congress and an unnamed CNN producer liars? Or rather, "Liars until you show me film?"

Not that I ever really trust politicians, mind you, but I've certainly seen enough vehemence over this whole affair to find it completely believable.

[palecur]

I'm tolerably comfortable with folks calling politicians and newsflacks liars, especially when lying is to their advantage, but that's not what I'm doing here, no.

On an unrelated note, I hear donut holes are delicious this season.

[terpsichoros]

I believe the congresscritters and CNN are lying.

I also beelive that if substantiation is found, that the spitter will turn out to be a plant. There's already a two false-flag "Tea Party" efforts underway, it would not surprise me in the least if some leftoid decided to spit on some congresscritters to create bad publicity for the Tea Party movement.

[merlinofchaos]

Hmm. Tea Partiers are the Hippies of the current century. That's an interesting turn about.

[silverstreak]

I could understand seeing this kind of pure hatred in dealing with issues of a personal nature, like abortion or gay rights, but why is health care this heated an issue? Is it just because of money? Are we THAT sick of a country that we want to deny people health care because it might cost us a little more?

[terpsichoros]

It's money and power. The left is clearly motivated by the prospect of telling other people what to do, and how to spend their money, and this is the largest, most damaging, and most expensive, intrusion onto people's autonomy in a long time.

The House just passed a bill which will substantially raise the cost of health coverage, make it more likely that businesses will drop employee's coverage, while forcing people who don't need first-dollar health coverage to pay thousands of dollars for it (or just pay more taxes). It also won't actually get insurance for many of the currently uninsured; probably none of the illegal aliens currently not covered, and probably half or more of the legal workers and unemployed currently not covered will not end up covered by this plan.

So we're going to spend lots of money to make more people spend more money, and not actually get universal coverage.

Meanwhile, we're not actually denying health care to any significant number of people; we're just not paying for all of it.

[meopta]

Who is a significant person? Is my brother a significant person? What number of people becomes significant?

If the right had brought forward a public option, I might believe them. But they didn't and I don't and I completely believe the story because I've heard the tea party people in my neighborhood and I am tired of them.

I am tired of this county only valuing affluent and unborn lives. I am tired of people pretending that's ok.

It's not.

[kid_lit_fan]

The left is clearly motivated by the prospect of telling other people what to doMaybe I'm too much of a a bleeding-heart hippie (and you know that I'm far more centrist than many of our mutual acquaintances), but I believe that the left (or a great deal of the left) is motivated by, oh, the concept that health care is a right and that it's FUCKING RIDICULOUS for people to die of curable diseases (or even to be horrifically ill, or even to lack basic first-world health "luxuries" like a reasonably healthy set of teeth and ever-growing vaccinations

[mercede02]

For once, I would like the Right to provide an intelligent, alternative plan instead of constantly bashing the work the everyone else does, and whipping people into a frenzy of fear and hatred while they are at it.

Is it just too much to ask for Conservatives to come up with alternatives and to participate in the debate instead of just doing everything in their power to shut it down?

A friend of mine said that if we got out of all the wars that Bush dragged us into, we'd have plenty of money for health care. I say do it!!

-K

[chrisfs]

There are two ways the GOP can respond to that sort of behavior. And it sort of relates to the Frumm article earlier.

You can respond like jerk and refuse to acknowledge that it's a bad thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zso8GcXlGZY

or you take a classy route. I don;t agree with the guy's politics, but he came off as a decent guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYJaHMWQjXU

And I can sympathize with T in being torn as to which I want to see the GOP emulating right now.