The fun continues (politics)

[purchasemonkey]

   Yet more of the right wing shooting itself in the foot:
Protesters hurl slurs and spit at Democrats.
   Remember how the hippie assholes of the 60's are held up as objects of ridicule (and rightly so) for spitting on soldiers and calling them "baby killers" during the Vietnam War? Yeah. That.

Comments

[silverstreak]

I could understand seeing this kind of pure hatred in dealing with issues of a personal nature, like abortion or gay rights, but why is health care this heated an issue? Is it just because of money? Are we THAT sick of a country that we want to deny people health care because it might cost us a little more?

[terpsichoros]

It's money and power. The left is clearly motivated by the prospect of telling other people what to do, and how to spend their money, and this is the largest, most damaging, and most expensive, intrusion onto people's autonomy in a long time.

The House just passed a bill which will substantially raise the cost of health coverage, make it more likely that businesses will drop employee's coverage, while forcing people who don't need first-dollar health coverage to pay thousands of dollars for it (or just pay more taxes). It also won't actually get insurance for many of the currently uninsured; probably none of the illegal aliens currently not covered, and probably half or more of the legal workers and unemployed currently not covered will not end up covered by this plan.

So we're going to spend lots of money to make more people spend more money, and not actually get universal coverage.

Meanwhile, we're not actually denying health care to any significant number of people; we're just not paying for all of it.

[meopta]

Who is a significant person? Is my brother a significant person? What number of people becomes significant?

If the right had brought forward a public option, I might believe them. But they didn't and I don't and I completely believe the story because I've heard the tea party people in my neighborhood and I am tired of them.

I am tired of this county only valuing affluent and unborn lives. I am tired of people pretending that's ok.

It's not.

[kid_lit_fan]

The left is clearly motivated by the prospect of telling other people what to doMaybe I'm too much of a a bleeding-heart hippie (and you know that I'm far more centrist than many of our mutual acquaintances), but I believe that the left (or a great deal of the left) is motivated by, oh, the concept that health care is a right and that it's FUCKING RIDICULOUS for people to die of curable diseases (or even to be horrifically ill, or even to lack basic first-world health "luxuries" like a reasonably healthy set of teeth and ever-growing vaccinations

[meopta]

Why do you think my brother deserves teeth? Isn't he currently working two full time jobs without any? Why do you think Spouse should be able to change jobs without my losing my cancer coverage? Do you hate America?

[gannok]

this is the largest, most damaging, and most expensive, intrusion onto people's autonomy in a long time
You're right, it's been at least, what, almost 9 years since the Patriot Act was enacted?

To be honest, I'm really tired of the Right always making a big fuss about all the socialist programs that the Left want to enact. Especially when the Right are some of the biggest boosters for most of our pre-existing socialist programs. Perhaps they would like to change their minds about things like Police, Firefighters, EMTs, Teachers, Soldiers, the list goes on and on. I mean, they're all government employees. They're paid with government money. So if they're so anti-socialist, then why do they keep giving big hurrahs to all the cops, soldiers, and firefighters for being such big heroes?

[palecur]

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

(C. S. Lewis)