The economic dynamic of work

[syndicalist]

Comments

[xforge]

Yup, and you'll be the first one up against the wall when the revolution comes AHHH HA HA HA revolution. I kill me. Yeah. Revolution. When pigs fly. Out of my butt. In formation.

[syndicalist]

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

Let me know.

[xforge]

About the revolution, or about the pigs flying out of my butt in formation? (You realize I was addressing the corporate fatcat in the cartoon right?)

[syndicalist]

No, I did not know you were talking to the person in the cartoon.

[inibo]

Ah, an 18th century idea that was refuted in the 19th.

The only thing that determines economic value is the intersection of the desire to buy with the willingness to sell.

It took a log time for the germ theory of disease to catch on, too, but in the end truth will out.

[syndicalist]

The cartoon above doesn't depict "the labor theory of value" (i.e. the notion that prices are set depending on the amount of work put into commodities' creation).

It depicts a really-existing power relationship.

So, try again.

[inibo]

The cartoon above doesn't depict "the labor theory of value"

Yes it does, so there :P

Everything about that cartoon says labor alone produces and is the source of everything of economic value. This cartoon completely leaves consumers and their decisions out of the equation. If you and a bunch of other "workers" want to get together and start making something that people want for a price they are willing to pay you will succeed, if not you won't. Same applies to the hardest hardcore running dog capitalist.

[syndicalist]

Everything about that cartoon says labor alone produces and is the source of everything of economic value. This cartoon completely leaves consumers and their decisions out of the equation.

No, it shows a consumer - the boss, who is consuming the labor power he has purchased as a consumer on the labor market.

Consumers' decisions, etc., exert an influence on how much the boss charges for the products his subordinates make, sure. That's a banal reality. Sorry the cartoon does not go into that. It also doesn't go into why zebras have stripes, either.

[the_hamburglar]

Lemme see, upkeep of machines, advertisements, etc. etc. what other cost can we throw associated with running a business?

[the_hamburglar]

Depends, do you have to out-source or not? They make this shit so cut and dry like it's really this simple.

[syndicalist]

Who does it when it's out-sourced?

[redheadrat]

This is why there are many small businesses out there. If a worker believes that he can accomplish the whole business process by himself, there is only government stopping him.

[syndicalist]

You mean like when a would-be small business owner gets a loan from the Small Business Administration? (sba.gov)

That type of "the government stopping him'?

[redheadrat]

Like that has been particularly easy or helpful for people before they put up significant amounts of their own money.

[syndicalist]

Yeah, the govt wants people to fail at starting small businesses.

[syndicalist]

I'm confused.

So, what else is new?

[syndicalist]

Sounds like you're still confused. :/