Comments | paradisacorbasi: cybernautical mode: The Disclaimer

paradisacorbasi

cybernautical mode: The Disclaimer

Jun 12, 2006 10:25

The DisclaimerSince even if I use qualifiers, or if I don't, people still don't grasp that I'm usually talking about the behaviour of a certain group in a larger group, I'm just going to type up one big disclaimer for all the controversial topics I can think of and add more as I think of more ( Read more... )

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subtlesabotage June 12 2006, 16:37:53 UTC

Oh yeah. Type in pro ana in the LJ interests search and you will see a whole world of dysfunction.

subtlesabotage June 12 2006, 16:39:07 UTC

I loved this rant...mostly because I agree with all of it.

paradisacorbasi June 12 2006, 18:44:36 UTC

Thanks.

This wasn't really so much a rant as it was a ...guide to understanding what I'm saying when I actually am ranting.

arcadiangames June 12 2006, 17:47:41 UTC

I do have a problem with the religious types who espouse hate from their religion. Any person who follows their religion in this manner will get under my skin and on my nerves. When I speak of religious types or Christianists, I speak of these people: the ones who thank God for Hurricane Katrina and the Tsunami. I speak of the ones who encourage gay bashing. The ones who insist you're going to hell because you don't believe as they believe, and so on.You do a very good job of presenting your beliefs and the reasons for them, but "Christianists" still stings, because Christians do not remotely have a monopoly on hate-mongering - or even on "people claim to belong to our group but we really wish they'd just GO AWAY!" (We're probably well ahead of the Buddhists, though.) However, Christianity is a dominant religion in our culture, and probably still the most noticeable one. I feel more comfortable with what you say when you use "religionists" and even more so when you pinpoint the specific person or group that's being a moron at the ( ... )

bitteroptimist June 12 2006, 18:05:38 UTC

Hopefully Indigo will clear this up for me, but are Christians and Christianists one in the same?

I may consider myself a Christian, but I still have a huge problem with "Christianists" or those bigots who force their way of thinking on others and bash in the name of God as Indigo described above.

paradisacorbasi June 12 2006, 18:32:02 UTC

No. Christians and Christianists are not the same.

Christians are people like you, arcadiangames and the Christians on my friendslist. You all pretty much display Christianity as I was raised to understand it. Kindness, peace, generosity to those less fortunate. That sort of thing.

Christianists, a word I picked up from colubra, are the types who turn Christianity into terrorism, hence the "ist" part. That reverend who said that disasters will befall that town in PA which downvoted Creationism, for example. Fred Phelps. The 700 club types. And all the examples I made above.

paradisacorbasi June 12 2006, 18:29:18 UTC

Christianist shouldn't, IMO, sting you, because you're not such a person. That's why I'm making the distinction.

There are of course other religions that do the same thing I speak of the Christianists doing, but the overwhelming majority of those I encounter online and in person are maligning Christianity. I don't usually personally encounter mean, hateful Muslims, Jews [especially not Jews--and I worked for a Jewish organization for over a decade], Shaolins, Pagans of various stripes.

I can only be speaking based on what my own experiences are.

Xmas has been considered, as far as I know myself, an acceptable abbreviation for Christmas since my mother was a kid. Xtian, however, bugs me because it reminds me of Xtina, which they call that pop singer, and my brain is all, "You're using the abbreviation for Christ-, which I only know one appropriate use for -- for a pop singer?" And I'd never heard Xtian even as a child, and that seemed an abbreviation-come-lately, so to speak ( ... )

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egyptian_spider June 12 2006, 22:00:02 UTC

*just applauds*

egyptian_spider June 12 2006, 22:02:06 UTC

(oh, and the pro-ana and pro-mia people just make my brain explode. they really really do.)

kuchenhexe June 12 2006, 22:47:22 UTC

I used to have anorexia. Actually, that's a lie. I'm still anorexic. I'm just on the wagon. I still hate eating most days, I still try to get by on the bare minimum I can without thinking about it ( ... )

paradisacorbasi June 13 2006, 02:12:46 UTC

I remember you mentioning your anorexia, yeah. I know you know it's a disease, and not a lifestyle that makes you sexy.

I completely understand the whole "using strong terminology when you're angry." That's what caused me to make that "psycho breastfeeder mom scream queen" statement that got me defriended. It upset me for a little while until I realized that the person who was attacking me for it, in calling me a hypocrite, was being hypocritical herself.

I mean anyone who reads this LJ knows I care about other people's feelings to the point of too much sometimes. Just because I think certain people in a group are behaving over the top doesn't mean I don't think every breastfeeding mother in the world is psycho.

And then it hit me: "hypocrite" is the word to describe the condition of dissonance when a person encounters a worldview more flexible than they expected or desired it to be from their own.

I'm glad to have the reaffirmations, explanation and agreement, I assure you.

And thank you.

kateshort June 13 2006, 03:52:20 UTC

Buh?

By definition, a hypocrite is a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion, and hypocritical is characterized by hypocrisy, a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not.

So, I guess I'm not understanding what you mean to say when you write that "hypocrite" is the word to describe the condition of dissonance when a person encounters a worldview more flexible than they expected or desired it to be from their own.

Could you elaborate?

paradisacorbasi June 13 2006, 04:01:41 UTC

I find a lot of the time I see the word "hypocrite" being bandied about, it's the other person's perception.

Like, if I'm remembering correctly, I used ion_duck's name as an example several years ago in a fake-slash context, meant to be just silly and to make another person laugh. I got called a screaming hypocrite for it because the other person believed I shouldn't be using his name without his permission, especially in a context of slash, which I espouse to hate.

But ion_duck was okay with me using his name in this context because he knew I wasn't being serious about it, wasn't going to actually write a fic involving the slash pairing, and was doing it specifically to make somebody laugh in the moment ( ... )

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