Be right back, I'm going to be looking out the window make sure it's not a cold day in hell yet, because I just found myself mentally defending McCain.
the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence, but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear - whether it is true or false - if he believes it will relieve his suffering.
I wasn't aware that one even had to be on the receiving end of torture to figure this out. This is pretty much exactly what fucking fifth grade history textbooks say under the heading "Why would anyone admit to being a witch?" It's one of like three things they get right.
It's what various high-ranking members of the armed forces have been saying since the torture debate started, too, but somehow certain people can't get it through their skulls. Hey! Your morality versus practicality argument is moot if it doesn't fucking work.
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It's like there is a competition between all the Republican presidential hopefuls to see who can create the biggest fail. And damn you Santorum for making me feel sympathetic to John McCain.
If someone had told me 5 years ago I'd feel sympathy towards McCain I would have laughed in their face. But looking at what kind of people the republican party has produced since Obama's inauguration I kind of want him, or people like him, back.
Same, but I always sort of felt like he got swallowed up by the Repub. Party machinery during his campaign. Got told he'd lose the voter base if he made pro-choice, anti-torture, etc. statements. He would have been a better candidate and a harder challenge for Obama, IMHO, if he'd been stronger that way but... well, he wasn't.
Ah - my bad. Main point was really that candidates can only diverge from the party line so much if they want to keep their place, and the Repubs seem to have become particularly unwilling to accept dissent.
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I wasn't aware that one even had to be on the receiving end of torture to figure this out. This is pretty much exactly what fucking fifth grade history textbooks say under the heading "Why would anyone admit to being a witch?" It's one of like three things they get right.
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It's what various high-ranking members of the armed forces have been saying since the torture debate started, too, but somehow certain people can't get it through their skulls. Hey! Your morality versus practicality argument is moot if it doesn't fucking work.
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"We are Americans for Prospertity Obnoxious Asshole who want to rule the world."
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