Liberal Hatred for Susan Sarandon is a Symptom of People Who Refuse to Acknowledge Their Own Failure

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Oscar-winning actor and progressive activist Susan Sarandon sparked a good deal of controversy during the primary stage of the presidential election when she expressed doubt to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes about whether she could bring herself to vote for Hillary Clinton in a “lesser-of-two-evils” situation. It was a common question at that time among

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[liliaeth]

I've rarely read this much bullshit in one single article since the last pro-Sanders article on this community.

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what was the last pro-Sanders piece?

[moonshaz]

This, sfm.

[adelheide]

I seem to recall that Sarandon said that HRC would be as bad, or worse, than Trump. Which is patently ridiculous. She certainly didn't cost HRC the election personally, but her and the people that voted with her definitely messed with the electoral college that gave Trump the win. For that, I can blame them.

As much as liberals and progressives (I count myself among them) may dream, we need centrist politicians to get anything done. Behold how a radical right Congress has ground governing to a halt. We need compromise. We need give and take. When we get one side that takes their Colonial LARPing too far, we end up with stagnation and dysfunction.

Do I wish the news had covered the DAPL protests more? You bet I do. There's a lot of things I wish the press covered more. I think the only good thing to come out of the clusterfuck that was Nov. 8 is that a lot of people (including the news) woke up. A lot of people checked in. A lot of people started to act. Nothing like a crisis to get the people's ass in gear.

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If you want centrist politicians in the white house, I think that probably makes you more of a liberal than progressive.

However I disagree about needing centrist politicians! I posted 'Why Republicans are impressive' which talks about this, here are some select quotes:

The lesson is this: in modern American politics, having an ideologically coherent and disciplined party is an advantage, not a liability. This flies in the face of conventional wisdom: during the 2016 primary, many Democrats, especially those who supported Clinton, worried about the “purism” of the party’s younger and more progressive wing: would it force the party to confront a choice between nominating ideologically progressive candidates who would be unelectable and facing mass defections to its left? After all, it was widely understood that candidates needed to “pivot to the center” to win general elections. Clinton’s claim to be a “progressive who gets things done” was founded on this assumption: the notion was that Sanders’ policies, even if you found them

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[amw]

I loved that article that you posted, and I wish it had created more conversation because I think it's a very important conversation for the American left to have. That said, there is one point in there that is not entirely true, and that is this idea that America is lurching wildly to the right. It's more complex than that

[mimblexwimble]

Last year she was going on about how Trump wasn't as dangerous as Clinton, and how Trump wouldn't kick ALL the Muslims out of America or build a wall... if that's your idea of a progressive activist, I'm not sure what to tell you. I hope progressive isn't just becoming a way to say "far left but still overwhelmingly white and ignorant of privilege".

[...] but if the end result is the same, and Trump actually inspires more counter-activism, which is really the better situation?

Wow.

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Yep, I understand if people don't like Sarandon, it was a very privileged and tone deaf thing to say.

However, this is also why I included a segment of the Tim Black show, he is a MOC and someone I consider progressive. In another post, I also included a small list of progressive WOC and MOC, who can talk about how privilege, race and class intersect in a more nuanced way.

Also, Nina Turner is a progressive democrat who I admire and respect, here are some videos I found insightful:

[moonshaz]

"Donald Trump has been a nightmare, but as yet he has not inflicted the death blow to America."

He's only been in office 4 freaking weeks--give hm time!

[amw]

I love that this comm is full of the leftiest lefties America can provide, but I have to say it's getting a bit tiring to keep on reading more and more dumping on Hillary and her supporters. She lost the electoral college months ago. Instead of submitting columns whining about moderates, how about comrades start posting articles that celebrate the up-and-coming icons of the new Democratic socialist wing? That might be more inspiring to former Hillary supporters than attacking them for all being wrong, stupid, misguided, not progressive enough, whatever

[rainbows_]

I don't blame Hillary supporters! They did the best they could. I blame the democratic party, Hillary's campaign staff and Hillary herself. The Tim Black segment in my post explains this well @ the 7:15 mark. He said: "You can't blame the people in the stands when your team loses. Cause their not in the field, their not playing. Blaming voters for Hillary's loss is like blaming all those people who had tickets

[amw]

I agree that the left trying to eat each other is not working out for either wing. The bitter folks on the mothership who jump at every opportunity to slam Stein voters and ideologically hard left peeps ain't shit. But, tbh, I don't think they are the majority of Democratic voters. It might seem that way because internetz, but I think in the real world most Democratic voters and - indeed - most human beings are not sociopathic hate-canoes. Though, it has to be said, the vast majority of Democratic voters are not very left-wing either

[moonshaz]

"Because despite what absolutist agitprop would have you believe, most of the "centrists" - including Hillary - do believe in an authentically progressive agenda; the difference is how they choose to try to get it implemented. And fer real, America is full of ugly Beltway sausage making regardless of who gets in."

I agree SO much. I got really sick of all the infighting among the different factions (centrist, hard left, etc) during the election, and when it got even worse for a while afterthe election, I literally wanted to scream on a daily basis. I'm still sick of that stuff, and even sicker of feeling like I'm being passive aggressively attacked every time I turn around, just because I'm  evidently not quiteas far left as some people think I should be.

It's a lot better than it used to be, but every time an article is posted about how horrible Democrats are, or how shitty Hillary and her campaign supposedly were, or how neocons (whatever the hell that word even means, although I gather it includes me, since I voted for Hill twice