Liberal Hatred for Susan Sarandon is a Symptom of People Who Refuse to Acknowledge Their Own Failure

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Oscar-winning actor and progressive activist Susan Sarandon sparked a good deal of controversy during the primary stage of the presidential election when she expressed doubt to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes about whether she could bring herself to vote for Hillary Clinton in a “lesser-of-two-evils” situation. It was a common question at that time among

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I don't blame Hillary supporters! They did the best they could. I blame the democratic party, Hillary's campaign staff and Hillary herself. The Tim Black segment in my post explains this well @ the 7:15 mark. He said: "You can't blame the people in the stands when your team loses. Cause their not in the field, their not playing. Blaming voters for Hillary's loss is like blaming all those people who had tickets."

However, a portion of Hillary supporters are not being passive participants. Continuing to punch left I feel is misguided and unproductive. Hillary supporters like Kevin Allred who call Susandon a "delusional bitch" and threaten violence against her should be called out! Alot of Hillary supporters were threatening violence against both Susandon and third-party voters on the mothership post. Not all third party voters (or people who didn't vote) were privileged pos! There was the example I mentioned in the post, a POC who can't vote for Hillary because of Hillary's foreign policy decisions that have directly affected her family. There were POC who couldn't afford to take time off work to go and vote. There are POC that felt that Hillary thought their votes were disposable (another example is in the essay The Great Ambivalence by Tressie McMillan Cottom). There were POC who couldn't vote because of voter suppression.

I agree with posting more about the Democratic socialist wing, I posted an article about it here which I encourage everyone to check out! In terms of democratic reform and change,I think that it needs to happen severely, however there is some hope in that regard! Talking about the DNC chair, here are two people I thought were really insightful:

Information about the above video: Talking about how large amounts of money are being funnelled into consulting companies rather than the state parties: "The democratic party does not exist so people can buy second homes on the beach. The democratic party exists to elect democrats."

Question she wanted to ask the DNC chair candidates: "What are you going to do with this major issue within the democratic party? You have people on the streets with issues that the democratic party is silent on. Dakota access, the TPP. You can't elect democrats without voters. And these voters are in the streets, so where are you?"

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I agree that the left trying to eat each other is not working out for either wing. The bitter folks on the mothership who jump at every opportunity to slam Stein voters and ideologically hard left peeps ain't shit. But, tbh, I don't think they are the majority of Democratic voters. It might seem that way because internetz, but I think in the real world most Democratic voters and - indeed - most human beings are not sociopathic hate-canoes. Though, it has to be said, the vast majority of Democratic voters are not very left-wing either.

So, imo, it's a two-way street. Although the centrists need to try figure out why the progressives are so angry, the progressives also need to understand why the centrists have decided to compromise and/or play the game. Because despite what absolutist agitprop would have you believe, most of the "centrists" - including Hillary - do believe in an authentically progressive agenda; the difference is how they choose to try to get it implemented. And fer real, America is full of ugly Beltway sausage making regardless of who gets in.

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"Because despite what absolutist agitprop would have you believe, most of the "centrists" - including Hillary - do believe in an authentically progressive agenda; the difference is how they choose to try to get it implemented. And fer real, America is full of ugly Beltway sausage making regardless of who gets in."

I agree SO much. I got really sick of all the infighting among the different factions (centrist, hard left, etc) during the election, and when it got even worse for a while afterthe election, I literally wanted to scream on a daily basis. I'm still sick of that stuff, and even sicker of feeling like I'm being passive aggressively attacked every time I turn around, just because I'm  evidently not quiteas far left as some people think I should be.

It's a lot better than it used to be, but every time an article is posted about how horrible Democrats are, or how shitty Hillary and her campaign supposedly were, or how neocons (whatever the hell that word even means, although I gather it includes me, since I voted for Hill twice without holding my nose) are the worst things ever, I can't help but feel those feels all over again.

I've got news: you don't win people over by dropping hints about how about how shitty their political choices are, or how shitty theyare for not supporting who you think they should support. That is how you alienatepeople. The best way to dig ourselves out of this GOP dominated shithole we're in right now is for all of us to work togetheras a team, and it's hard to do that while treating each other as the enemy. I'm just saying.