Glastonbury 2010: I love Snoop Dogg the artist - but despise him as a man

Jun 28, 2010 10:13

Many of his songs are appallingly sexist. So why is feminist Julie Bindel such a fan of Snoop Dogg's music - and what did she make of his set ( Read more... )

pop culture, race/racism, music

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redikolous June 28 2010, 12:39:54 UTC
As someone mentioned, Glee, but I bitch about its problematic aspects all the time.

Music wise, I think stoner rock. The way women and sex are treated in a lot of it I've listened to (and watched the music videos for) is problematic. But to be honest, I think that's almost all rock.

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usnbfs June 28 2010, 12:45:57 UTC
At the moment I'm wondering if there is any genre that is not mostly sexist.

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redikolous June 28 2010, 13:00:44 UTC
grrl rock type stuff?

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rare_lj June 28 2010, 12:50:01 UTC
I do agree that is possible to like music or a movie/tv show/etc that goes against the way you think. I've realized most of the music I've listened to are, as someone in this community said, "white men with guitars" and I obviously see something problematic with that. I've broaden my horizons lately, but I still enjoy it and listen to it. I even listen to metal, I know I'm not looking for deep lyrics when I do it just guitar and drums solos.

I go to the theaters with my family all the time and we usually end up watching a movie that I know is full of "-ism", but sometimes I end up liking the movie.

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fruhlings June 28 2010, 12:56:57 UTC
I love Florence and the Machine!

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lilitu93 June 28 2010, 13:08:12 UTC
How many of these male reviewers take, say, Nick Cave to task for writing songs about killing women?

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flumes June 28 2010, 17:37:04 UTC
That's a great song and I don't understand what the fuck problems people would have with that damn song

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fruhlings June 28 2010, 12:57:38 UTC
I like Ke$ha, lol. And I like some of the Rolling Stones' stuff.

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maynardsong June 28 2010, 14:51:15 UTC
That "Brown Sugar" song?

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fruhlings June 28 2010, 14:51:55 UTC
OH GOD I HATE THAT SONG HNNNG. Also "Under My Thumb". Ugh ugh ugh.

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lilitu93 June 28 2010, 13:09:59 UTC
Heh, I'm a Jew who listens to Neofolk and plays it too (though I don't consider the early artists to be Neofolk but Neofolk to be the followers who copied the style, but that's genre wanking that isn't really relevant). So does that make me the queen of problematicness?

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lilitu93 June 28 2010, 13:33:35 UTC
Neofolk is an offshoot of goth and industrial, and lots of the artists used Nazi and Fascist imagery, especially in the early days. There's also lots of Heathenism/Paganism and idealising pre-modern Europe, which can be problematic as well.

The groups that started it were Current 93, Death in June and Sol Invictus. Most of the original artists moved away from that, but there are lots of copy cat bands, many of whom moved away from the Nazi stuff.

Most of the people in the scene aren't Nazis, but there are some bands and fans who outright are. I don't listen to those bands, and there are loads of fans who are antifascist and antiracist who hate that side of the scene.

(Note: I'm somewhat biased as I'm married to the singer of Sol Invictus and play with them sometimes, and we met through that scene, though it was only starting to be called neofolk at that
time.)

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