Re: Jews, not RussiansahousekeeperDecember 4 2007, 08:10:11 UTC
> Are you saying that a Jewish person wouldn't > be pegged as Russian if they spoke the Russian > language, or with a Russian accent, in say, Peru? Back in the Soviet times everyone from the USSR was called Russian by Westerners. But was that right? Not really. Russian is an ethnicity. You can't call Chechen a Russian, can you? You can't call a Kosovo Albanian a Serb, though de jure Kosovo is part of modern Serbia.
Re: Jews, not RussiansadrexiaDecember 4 2007, 20:26:56 UTC
Back in the Soviet times everyone from the USSR was called Russian by Westerners. But was that right? Not really. Russian is an ethnicity.
No. Russian is a nationality. Ruski was an ethnicity. You can pick a new word if you like, but Russian will still mean "Someone from Russia".
You can't call a Kosovo Albanian a Serb, though de jure Kosovo is part of modern Serbia.
That's where you are wrong. We can, and we do. Ethnicity isn't all that important on the grand scale. It is an individual thing. You can be proud of who you are and where you have come from - but everyone else will, or should, still treat you the same regardless. If you are from Russia, you are Russian. I don't care who your parents are or where they are from. It's actually fairly irrelevant. Russian is not an ethnicity. There should be a separate word for that, since people obviously care about it. Maybe "Slavic Russians", or "Ethnic Russians"?
But really it's just the meaning of the word that we disagree on, not anything else. *shrugs*
Re: Jews, not RussiansahousekeeperDecember 5 2007, 10:28:11 UTC
> Russian is not an ethnicity.
1 a: a native or inhabitant of Russia b: a member of the dominant Slavic-speaking ethnic group of Russia c: a person of Russian descent2: a Slavic language of the Russian people spoken as a second language by many non-Russian ethnic groups of the Soviet Union and its successor states http://webster.com/dictionary/russian
Re: Jews, not RussiansahousekeeperDecember 4 2007, 07:30:04 UTC
> Ergo, said person probably sees themself as both Jewish and Russian. If the word "Russian" means citizenship, then yes. If the word Russian means ethnicity then the answer is 'no'.
Please read the whole thread, everything is repeated there several times.
Re: Jews, not RussiansalexfDecember 5 2007, 03:22:23 UTC
In America Jews captured the power from WASP they totally control the country thats why they are currently so happily call themselves "Americans". Not so sure about France. There was a scandal regarding this matter couple of years ago between France and Israel when some French Jewish woman was drawing anti-semitic graffiti to make France look bad
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You have an option to read the whole thread OR go on name calling. Either way I am not going to argue further because arguing with narrow-minded brainwashed apologets of "politically correctnes" is something I wouldn't spend my time on.
If the word "Jews" triggers such a hysterical reaction, that means you are rather a latent xenophobe. Adios.
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> be pegged as Russian if they spoke the Russian
> language, or with a Russian accent, in say, Peru?
Back in the Soviet times everyone from the USSR was called Russian by Westerners. But was that right? Not really. Russian is an ethnicity. You can't call Chechen a Russian, can you? You can't call a Kosovo Albanian a Serb, though de jure Kosovo is part of modern Serbia.
> I'm Scottish, Welsh, German, Irish, and
> probably a large subset of "other".
We are again approaching the primordialism vs constructivism argument. No need to repeat it once more: http://news.livejournal.com/104520.html?thread=66776136#t66776136
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No. Russian is a nationality. Ruski was an ethnicity. You can pick a new word if you like, but Russian will still mean "Someone from Russia".
You can't call a Kosovo Albanian a Serb, though de jure Kosovo is part of modern Serbia.
That's where you are wrong. We can, and we do. Ethnicity isn't all that important on the grand scale. It is an individual thing. You can be proud of who you are and where you have come from - but everyone else will, or should, still treat you the same regardless. If you are from Russia, you are Russian. I don't care who your parents are or where they are from. It's actually fairly irrelevant. Russian is not an ethnicity. There should be a separate word for that, since people obviously care about it. Maybe "Slavic Russians", or "Ethnic Russians"?
But really it's just the meaning of the word that we disagree on, not anything else. *shrugs*
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> > though de jure Kosovo is part of modern Serbia.
> That's where you are wrong. We can, and we do.
I would appreciate an example: a quotation with a link from any news outlet.
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1 a: a native or inhabitant of Russia b: a member of the dominant Slavic-speaking ethnic group of Russia c: a person of Russian descent2: a Slavic language of the Russian people spoken as a second language by many non-Russian ethnic groups of the Soviet Union and its successor states
http://webster.com/dictionary/russian
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If the word "Russian" means citizenship, then yes. If the word Russian means ethnicity then the answer is 'no'.
Please read the whole thread, everything is repeated there several times.
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If the word "Jews" triggers such a hysterical reaction, that means you are rather a latent xenophobe. Adios.
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