I actually don't really have a thing to say about No Man's Land that other people haven't said better, but I also watched Allies for the first time on Saturday
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You totally need to write that. No, really. Because yes, it's been progressively more apparent that Rodney actually likes and respects these people, so he wants praise from them, not just recognition of his obvious genious. I think that's one reason why some of the cockblocking in Inferno got on my nerves so badly -- one, I have no idea what Joe, the writers, or the director was thinking, but two, that's a real good way to piss Rodney off into the sulk to end all sulks, man.
But yeah, okay, you need to write that. A lot. Because ... oh, that could go such interesting places. And while I prefer a more sub Sheppard, oh, could you have so much fun with that ...
"You know, McKay's need for approval is getting to be dangerous to the mission. We can't just have him warming up to our enemies that easily."
That's a really good point. *wants to see and/or write this fic also*
Even though he'd be secretly embarrassed about just how ridiculously happy it makes him. Except, sadly, this is the point where I run out of plot.
Well, that point is clearly the point at which he falls into Sheppard's arms or vice versa. =P
Or someone else notices McKay's penchant for flattery first, and gets McKay eating out of his/her hand and John gets jealous and then starts to up the flattery himself and then with the falling into arms.
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My plot bunnies are always up for grabs. I can't guarantee that I won't try to write it myself, but if I did, it would probably look completely different from whatever you would come up with, anyway. So if you want it, I'd love to see it written by you!
Well, that point is clearly the point at which he falls into Sheppard's arms or vice versa. =PBut there is not enough angst yet! I can't write things where there's no angst. Hm
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Maybe Rodney falls for him, and then finds out about that conversation between John and Ronon, and is all hurt and pissed off -- "So all that sudden niceness was just for the safety of the mission? Well, fuck you very much, Sheppard!" -- and is all hurt and pissed off at himself because he took all that stupid flattery seriously, and really, he's too old and smart to still be that needy.
Ooh, I like that. I'd love to see you write it.
And Rodney's all, "I thought all those compliments were because you actually liked me."
And Rodney's all, "I thought all those compliments were because you actually liked me."
Mm, yes. But of course they actually were meant seriously, and John's kind of gotten in the habit of telling Rodney when he's proud of him, so he still praises him a lot more than he used to
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I'd love to see Rodney get some praise, it's just I think they are so used to him saving the day, and John has done it. But there was The Hive, when Rodney injected himself with the enzymes to get away from Ford's team and get back to Atlantis..I really REALLY wish they had gone into what a heroic thing that was to do.
But when you mention Condemned, that speech rings in my ears, about Rodney saying he couldn't but then he does so everyone is kind of amazed.
I would love for him to get more praise than he does..he so deserves it..and after being on the Wraith Hive, he needs it. *smile*
In a way I think sometimes they take it for granted that he will save the day, but then in Trinity, it showed that sometimes he can't.
I'd love to see Rodney get some praise, it's just I think they are so used to him saving the day, and John has done it.
Yeah, that's the problem when people are used to you being good. I occasionally used to envy my classmates the gushing praise they got from their parents for their occasional really good grades -- my parents were so used to me being good at school that individual As were often almost ignored. It's not that I didn't know that I was being stupid, and that they were very proud of me, but occasionally, people like to hear these things.
But there was The Hive, when Rodney injected himself with the enzymes to get away from Ford's team and get back to Atlantis..I really REALLY wish they had gone into what a heroic thing that was to do.Yeah, me too. I was so annoyed that for one thing, he didn't even get to rescue them, he just had to sit there uselessly in the Daedalus, and for another, no one told him how brave he was for risking his life with an overdose
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I'm not sure there will be any writing before August -- all my better fics were from phases of great happiness or great panic and stress. The mind-numbing boredom of my current job does not inspire creativity, I'm afraid.
But, like I said, this one will be written eventually, because I really am determined to get those commentfics done.
Wow. Yeah, that take on him makes perfect sense. I don't see where everyone claims that Rodney is super-confident, because often people who come across as that blustery and arrogant are exactly the opposite. I think he has a healthy sense of his own intelligence, but he definitely feels underappreciated, and lacks confidence in his abilities outside of his area of expertise (like interacting with people, women, etc.)
I think he has a healthy sense of his own intelligence, but he definitely feels underappreciated
Yes, exactly. He doesn't need to hear how smart he is because he himself doesn't know (quite the opposite, in fact *g*), but because he wants other people to appreciate it, too. Especially the people he respects and admires in turn -- John, Radek, Elizabeth... Hermiod, too, because being acknowledged by a super-smart race like the Asgard would really be something.
And I think praise might be even more important to him in areas where he's not so sure of himself, for example with weapons or on missions -- it must take so much courage for him to go out and fight despite his natural inclination to panic, a kind word from John about any of that would mean the world to him, I think.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with that assessment. It's not a continuous thing, we've seen (and he admits) he can be arrogant and petty, but in my experience, that often comes from deep wells of insecurity. People who are extremely smart often feel that neediness -- they're alone in their heads quite often and that's a lonely place to be.
The idea that John might miss all that and then get his nose rubbed in it when a rival catches on and 'steals' Rodney away is brilliant. With any luck (though I doubt it) I'll be able to keep the thought away from my skank of a museboy. If not, may I have permission to steal it?
Well, one of you guys or better yet, both, need to write something along these lines *G*.
I truly have never understood and always disliked the way, for example, Carson and Elizabeth will be all "Rodney did a good job saving the day...but oh god, we can't tell him that or he'll be unbearable!" and then the eye rolling and nudge-nudge starts. There's nothing to support this view of Rodney as being this arrogant asshole. Truly arrogant, "I am god's gift to everyone," people don't go around needing all the approval Rodney obviously does.
All my plots are always up for grabs, even the ones I have already written myself. Two different writers with the exact same prompt will usually still end up with wildly different stories, anyway. And if I like an idea enough to talk about it in my LJ, I', always delighted to see it written.
People who are extremely smart often feel that neediness -- they're alone in their heads quite often and that's a lonely place to be.Good point. I bet it has often happened to Rodney that his ideas were rejected simply because other people weren't smart enough to keep up with him, and didn't trust his judgement. That might be part of why he was so unwilling to listen to his colleagues' warnings in Trinity -- he's used to other people holding him back, rejecting his ideas, and being wrong about it
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But yeah, okay, you need to write that. A lot. Because ... oh, that could go such interesting places. And while I prefer a more sub Sheppard, oh, could you have so much fun with that ...
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I wonder that a lot. Occasionally, scnes just don't make any sense at all without the slash goggles on.
but two, that's a real good way to piss Rodney off into the sulk to end all sulks, man.
So true. At the end of the ep, he was clearly distracted by the shiny spaceship, but I'm sure he remembered to be pissy at Sheppard later.
Because ... oh, that could go such interesting places. And while I prefer a more sub Sheppard, oh, could you have so much fun with that ...
Hmm, yes. I wasn't actually thinking D/s, but it could definitely go there, too.
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That's a really good point. *wants to see and/or write this fic also*
Even though he'd be secretly embarrassed about just how ridiculously happy it makes him. Except, sadly, this is the point where I run out of plot.
Well, that point is clearly the point at which he falls into Sheppard's arms or vice versa. =P
Or someone else notices McKay's penchant for flattery first, and gets McKay eating out of his/her hand and John gets jealous and then starts to up the flattery himself and then with the falling into arms.
(BTW, friended you, no obligation to friend back, just an FYI)
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My plot bunnies are always up for grabs. I can't guarantee that I won't try to write it myself, but if I did, it would probably look completely different from whatever you would come up with, anyway. So if you want it, I'd love to see it written by you!
Well, that point is clearly the point at which he falls into Sheppard's arms or vice versa. =PBut there is not enough angst yet! I can't write things where there's no angst. Hm ( ... )
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Ooh, I like that. I'd love to see you write it.
And Rodney's all, "I thought all those compliments were because you actually liked me."
Lots of angst potential there.
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Mm, yes. But of course they actually were meant seriously, and John's kind of gotten in the habit of telling Rodney when he's proud of him, so he still praises him a lot more than he used to ( ... )
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But when you mention Condemned, that speech rings in my ears, about Rodney saying he couldn't but then he does so everyone is kind of amazed.
I would love for him to get more praise than he does..he so deserves it..and after being on the Wraith Hive, he needs it. *smile*
In a way I think sometimes they take it for granted that he will save the day, but then in Trinity, it showed that sometimes he can't.
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Yeah, that's the problem when people are used to you being good. I occasionally used to envy my classmates the gushing praise they got from their parents for their occasional really good grades -- my parents were so used to me being good at school that individual As were often almost ignored. It's not that I didn't know that I was being stupid, and that they were very proud of me, but occasionally, people like to hear these things.
But there was The Hive, when Rodney injected himself with the enzymes to get away from Ford's team and get back to Atlantis..I really REALLY wish they had gone into what a heroic thing that was to do.Yeah, me too. I was so annoyed that for one thing, he didn't even get to rescue them, he just had to sit there uselessly in the Daedalus, and for another, no one told him how brave he was for risking his life with an overdose ( ... )
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But, like I said, this one will be written eventually, because I really am determined to get those commentfics done.
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Yes, exactly. He doesn't need to hear how smart he is because he himself doesn't know (quite the opposite, in fact *g*), but because he wants other people to appreciate it, too. Especially the people he respects and admires in turn -- John, Radek, Elizabeth... Hermiod, too, because being acknowledged by a super-smart race like the Asgard would really be something.
And I think praise might be even more important to him in areas where he's not so sure of himself, for example with weapons or on missions -- it must take so much courage for him to go out and fight despite his natural inclination to panic, a kind word from John about any of that would mean the world to him, I think.
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The idea that John might miss all that and then get his nose rubbed in it when a rival catches on and 'steals' Rodney away is brilliant. With any luck (though I doubt it) I'll be able to keep the thought away from my skank of a museboy. If not, may I have permission to steal it?
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I truly have never understood and always disliked the way, for example, Carson and Elizabeth will be all "Rodney did a good job saving the day...but oh god, we can't tell him that or he'll be unbearable!" and then the eye rolling and nudge-nudge starts. There's nothing to support this view of Rodney as being this arrogant asshole. Truly arrogant, "I am god's gift to everyone," people don't go around needing all the approval Rodney obviously does.
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People who are extremely smart often feel that neediness -- they're alone in their heads quite often and that's a lonely place to be.Good point. I bet it has often happened to Rodney that his ideas were rejected simply because other people weren't smart enough to keep up with him, and didn't trust his judgement. That might be part of why he was so unwilling to listen to his colleagues' warnings in Trinity -- he's used to other people holding him back, rejecting his ideas, and being wrong about it ( ... )
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