Just FYI:

[naamah_darling]

It is not statistically possible that the high turnout of black voters on Tuesday led to the passing of Prop 8.

Let us give credit where credit is due, my petits loups. Hate and stupidity do not have a skin color.

Comments

[lo8a]

Yeah, I thought that claim was bullshit.

[moondancerdrake]

I admit this whole thing is making me a bit crazy (not that a level of insanity wasn't there to begin with). The kind of horrible people that pushed for Prop 8 whould love to see the LGBT community and straight POC butting heads. If we are not standing together we can't stand against hatful bigots like them, right? I'm just sayin'.

[underbaked]

Wow. I hadn't even considered that people might some how decide to put those two variables together. Replacing hate with hate doesn't fix anything. Sigh.

[stormcaller3801]

Oh, they've put the blame on lots of groups. In fact the blame's been put on so many groups that it's almost circled back around to equality.

[underbaked]

I completely agree. It's horrible that prop 8 passed, but I never even thought that "black people had something to do with it," or that other people might even question that. If anything, I thought the percentage of youth voters went up the most.

[stormcaller3801]

Oh, I'd say that black people had something to do with it- but only to the extent that overall a large portion of the black community is religious, and there's a strong tie between various Western religions and anti-gay sentiments. Let's assume that nobody that marks the 'black' box on the census form voted for it. Would that change the result? Very likely. But it's like arguing that in a race that ended up decided by one vote: exactly which vote was it that made the difference? Any one of the votes for the winning side, switched, would have altered the result. It didn't all come down to Bob at the 7-11

[pixxelpuss]

That article entirely misses the point, not to mention that it demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics and research methodology (beginning with the nature of Random Sampling). I have not yet heard a single queer person suggesting that Californian AAs are solely to blame for the passage of Prop 8, although this doesn't mean that it isn't happening. But I find it problematic that no attention is being paid to the incidence of homophobia in religious communities. It is commonly accepted (whether its accurate or not) that white religious communities are overwhelmingly Republican, while other minority religious communities tend to be affiliated with the Democrats. I'm not attempting to suggest that somehow people of color are responsible for all homophobia in the state of California, but I do think that it behooves us to consider that during this historic election which supposedly represented a triumph over bigotry, a number of voters found themselves able to vote for Barack Obama for president (indubitably a sign of

[naamah_darling]

I have not yet heard a single queer person suggesting that Californian AAs are solely to blame for the passage of Prop 8, although this doesn't mean that it isn't happening.

I've seen the assertion several times today alone. It's flying around.

But I find it problematic that no attention is being paid to the incidence of homophobia in religious communities.

Well, yes, that's where the problem is. It doesn't have anything to do with race, it is not race that predisposes you to bigotry. Religion is probably THE strongest factor.

I can't say if the numbers are bad in that particular breakdown, because I'm bad with numbers, and if someone can find me a better refutation, I'll take a look at it, but I am going to say that I don't think race had anything to do with this. Minorities did not vote against it in vast enough numbers or percentages of those numbers to make the difference. It was a collective effort. EVERYONE fucked up.

I absolutely AM blaming religious fuckwits.

[pixxelpuss]

The problem here is that we cannot pretend that it is Only white evangelicals who voted against gay marriage. They simply don't exist in large enough quantities in California to push this over the edge, and if they did, Obama wouldn't have won California

[ginmar]

You're missing the whole point. If AA's make up six fucking percent of the goddamned CA population, why yap about them when there's so many MILLION more people---who, oh, happen to be white?!---to blame it on?

Blah, blah, blahdeblah, you're still trying to nail it on minorities and let evangelicals off scott free. Well, my God, it must've been unicorns!

[flewellyn]

It would not surprise me to discover that the "black people were responsible!" meme originated with the Mormons. The LDS church is desperate now to avoid blame.

[flewellyn]

To say nothing of some Yes On 8 operatives sending threatening letters to businesses, saying "give us money or we'll expose you as not supporting traditional marriage", which is extortion. Under RICO laws, the LDS church is open to prosecution for that attempted extortion.