whomsoever i've cured, i've sickened now

[musesfool]

I feel like someone who is actually enjoying this season of SPN could do a really good deconstruction of this episode through the lens of it being a noir story this season, because wow, yeah. This episode drove that home. If I didn't think it would devolve into a lot of vitriol, I'd do it myself, but the odds of that are pretty slim. So all I

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[sistermagpie]

I would hope that Lisa wasn't speaking the actual truth, but something she actually felt, even if she wasn't aware of it because...yeah, no reason Dean could not be happy with Sam.

And yes, it was totally obvious Sam was lying and Dean was having to do most of the work to even believe him. You froze? Really? And when they were with Veritas it was sad he was trying to say what he thought Dean would like.

Soul thing was not hard to spot. A bit silly that nobody suggested it before since they were discussing that very thing.

[musesfool]

Yeah, I mean, I guess that part of her speech could have just been her feelings - some of the stuff other people said was like that - and not being able to hear most of it, or a lot of the episode, made it hard to gauge, but I feel like that was definitely the writers speaking through her.

[musesfool]

Maybe you're right. I was definitely not having a great viewing experience with not being able to hear half the dialogue.

I think that was as much to do with Castiel's confirmation that Sam wasn't Lucifer as anything else

And that's another thing! How did Castiel not know Sam's soul was gone?

Meh. I am just unhappy. Feel free to ignore me.

[musesfool]

If I didn't loathe him so much, I could write about Castiel's point in this episode, which, if we're going for the noir angle, is to be yet another place Dean thought he could find support but which is no longer available to him (and which never really was in the first place - I never saw them as friends - they were allies whose agendas coincided for a while).

[elizardbits]

Living through Buffy's 6th season was bad enough the first time around.

[musesfool]

Seriously! And we're not even gonna get a musical episode here.

[writingpathways]

I think the 'killer' thing is what Dean believes at the moment, fresh from being a vampire, losing Lisa because of going there because he wanted her, he wanted Ben to be his son -- he thinks this now because hunting is something he is, will always be but he wanted that too but feels his being a killer is what killed it. More of his self-hatred stuff too, I wanted to shake and hug him as per usual

[musesfool]

I think the problem for me is that they've taken Dean's angst way far beyond the point where I find it compelling so I find mostly find it boring and predictable now. It was always fairly predictable, but it was rarely boring in earlier seasons. So I really don't care what their intentions were, because it didn't come across to me on the screen.

[destina]

I mean, I don't blame Lisa at all, and it's not like I didn't expect the show to write her out (at least they didn't kill her!) but I also think "You can never be happy with Sam in your life" is bullshit.

To you, and to me, but truth is very subjective in this context. Truth to Lisa is that she has tried to be generous with Dean's allegiances and time, and she let him go when I think she really wanted to make him stay. So she can't help but see his relationship with Sam as unhealthy and unhappy-making. Which, at this moment, it actually is. What she sees and feels, based on what she knows, and what we all see and feel based on our five plus years of loving them, are two different things.

[musesfool]

Sure, but sometimes this show takes subjective truth and runs with it as objective reality, so I don't really trust the writers to not continue to hammer at this idea as if it actually is true.