but I'm like sweet seventeen a lot

[musesfool]

What the hell is going on with gmail? first it was telling me it couldn't connect, then it wouldn't load at all (though iGoogle loaded fine), and now it will only load in html view. WTF

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[suaine]

I am not the person to ask about getting squicked by sibling incest, because that has been my all-time bullet-proof kink from before I actually knew what sex was. (Hansel and Gretel, man, I don't even know. I was a strange child)

But I do find that the intensity of the *kink* varies as well, with femslash being the least, then twins, then brother-sister and brother-brother basically on the same level. I have no idea why that is.

I do feel that as soon as there is a noticeable power imbalance (I don't think just being female makes for an automatic power imbalance in the brother-sister scenario, but that's maybe because most of the stuff I've read/seen has the sister as the initiator/aggressor) the story loses me quickly. I do 'cest, but non-con squicks me like nobodies business.

[musesfool]

Yeah, non-con is one of my major squicks, so I tend to default to the younger sibling as the aggressor in cases where they're not physically equal or the younger is still underage.

But I do find that the intensity of the *kink* varies as well, with femslash being the least, then twins, then brother-sister and brother-brother basically on the same level. I have no idea why that is.

That's really interesting, because i have never pinged for anything but older brother/younger sister incest pairings. I enjoy and read and write Wincest, for example, but I don't actually ship Sam/Dean, but when I turn Sam into a girl, I kind of do.

It's very weird.

[suaine]

It's very weird.

I think that's just the nature of kinks. They are hard to explain, because they are so basic and illogical.

[musesfool]

Very true.

[effervescent]

Maybe it's the fact that so many in fandom are women? When you're reading het-cest there's definitely usually a power dynamic - it was often demonstrated in HP fanfiction with Ginny and her brothers, because she was the youngest. I always liked seeing it turned around to become something where Ginny had the control, but alas, that often also involved her becoming evil, so

[musesfool]

M/f calls up a gender dynamic that usually has to be dispelled by the writing if the author wants the characters to be viewed as equal or for the female to be considered greater, imo, and short fics or fics that are pwp aren't going to do that.

I think that's entirely possible.

And thank you!

[sadcypress]

I think the power dynamic is a concern with hetcest, which can often be influence by age. For me, and while I've read and enjoyed every gender-variation out there of Wincest, I've found that often, girl!Dean/boy!Sam comes closest to making me feel like it's an equal playing field, or at least, that's how I see it done most often. If the characters are pre-series, I generally see girl!Dean possessing a strength in her sexuality that her younger brother just doesn't have yet. And when we reach the current canon years, girl!Dean retains her self-assurance and her place within the power dynamic as the elder that would never give Sam "all the power." There's an essence of Dean that's ALWAYS going to be a ass-kicking superhero, so matter what gender Dean is.

[musesfool]

girl!Dean/boy!Sam comes closest to making me feel like it's an equal playing field,

I find that really interesting, because that's the exact opposite to me. I think it gives Sam both the physical and emotional upper hand, regardless of their ages.

There's an essence of Dean that's ALWAYS going to be a ass-kicking superhero, so matter what gender Dean is.

Yes, and no. I feel like making Dean a girl strips him of a lot of what's really interesting about him as a caretaker/mother figure - the tension between his performance of masculinity and his role as a nurturer - and you end up with another 'girl sacrifices everything for the men in her life' story, and I am tired of that story.

[musesfool]

Feel free to jump in whenever. Especially if you are agreeing with me! *g*

And thanks. Me, too.

Job interviews are a weird rollercoaster of stressful and hope-inducing

*nod nod*

It is really quite ridiculous.

[musesfool]

Thank you! It is wearing, and I would like it to be over soon.

[lyra_wing]

I do have more issues with the het incest because there is a power issue at play. There is just a natural, default (physically-speaking) submissive person - the girl - and it's a fact that can't be turned around easily (as it can in a boy/boy situation).

And I have to agree with sadcypress: girl!Dean/boy!Sam comes closest to making me feel like it's an equal playing field. girl!Dean being older makes me feel more comfortable that she is aware of what she is doing. Yes, she's likely to have that disturbing level of devotion to Sam that might make the power balance questionable, but she's not physically/sexually innocent, which I think is the bigger issue. Being emotionally vulnerable is fine, but being physically/sexually inexperienced is a bigger issue for me.

[musesfool]

That's interesting, since I feel the exact opposite, that girl!Dean not only doesn't have the upper hand physically, she also doesn't have it emotionally (well, Dean never has it emotionally, does he? He never thinks he does, which might be the same thing), so the shift in power makes me very uncomfortable in ways I dislike. I feel a lot less uncomfortable with a girl!Sam who does not have the physical advantage, but generally has the emotional upper hand, even pre-series. Huh.