"But they try so hard!"

[meresy]

1. Okay, okay. So the new Delicious team (single engineer?) has given us back the '/' in tags, the tag counts and pagination in tag view. Progress! I don't generally hold grudges long; I will forgive them their ham-handed unannounced site beta because they seem responsive and keen on getting shit done. Diigo's apparently got moralizers for owners

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[kimboosan]

Pardon my language, but I am fucking unforgiving. The only reason they are giving us those features back is to avoid a PR meltdown, although it's too late for that. This was all about the owners trying to reinvent Delicious and not stopping to consider WHY it was so damn popular in the first place. So, no, I'm not going to stick with them even IF we get every single feature back. Grudges, I have them.

I agree about Diigo, though, and while Pinboard is a one-time cheap fee, like you I'm not keen on paying. But then, if delicious had *asked* I would have sold a kidney to keep the service as it was, so that's kind of double-faced of me. *sigh*

I hear there is some movement for a fan-built delicious knock off, which I would totally support, but eh, that's not an option for now alas. So, I guess I'll just keep pouting. :(

[meresy]

The only reason they are giving us those features back is to avoid a PR meltdown.

As opposed to...? It'd be some interesting characters who just ignored all the feedback after a major change. It's not sinister, just a bit stupid not to run some polls beforehand or something. Hell, maybe they did, before they had access to the userbase (they can't just go contacting another company's users before they have rights to that data -- all the opt-in banners were Yahoo's doing) we just never saw because no one was following AVOS dev sites

[kimboosan]

What I mean is, they are only giving us back these features to make themselves look good (too late) as opposed to giving them back because they are committed to their customers. They are clearly not responding out of a concern for their users; they have other plans for the service and as soon as things calm down, I have no doubt the features we are fighting for will be once again erased.

I mean, I'm not trying to convince you to hate them or anything; hell, I loved the service as it used to be, I was very passionate about it. But I don't *trust* them anymore. For me that's the bottom line.

I mean, I ported over to dw for issues of trust, but I still use LJ because so many of my friends and so much of fandom is here. I know my protests are drops in the ocean. *sigh* I wish I could be sanguine about AVOS' willingness to "fix" things, but since they broke them in the first place and did so ON PURPOSE, I just don't feel that way. :(

[meresy]

I'm not really groking your feeling here. I suppose it's that I don't feel personally affronted by website inconveniences. I mean, if they LOST my data, we might have to have words, but they haven't. It's just usability issues. It's not even TOS shenanigans like it was with LJ, and I couldn't be moved to care too much about that, either. I don't own the site. It's not a democracy and I don't operate under that impression.

I feel like we don't even know AVOS yet, anyway, so it's hard for me to immediately imagine they're untrustworthy somehow. Stupid, misguided, I could believe -- they have shown some sign of that. But I don't find redesign inherently bad. Maybe with a little work they turn it into something eminently usable.

This, "They are clearly not responding out of a concern for their users" How is that clear? It's not to me. If you have other info I'd appreciate it. How do you know it's just a temporary sop? What if they just blundered at first (as many a siterunner does)? I don't need them to care personally about me, anyway

[sansets]

I am just here to tell you that the BEST part of having Delicious restored to me (well, after the whole "OMG - I CAN LOOK AT MORE THAN 10 LINKS WHILE CLICKING ON A TAG" thing - that was really my largest source of frustration) is that I now have TSN fic that you bookmarked showing up in my GoogleReader again. I WAS GOING INTO WITHDRAW FOR A FEW DAYS THERE, OK?

[meresy]

WOO.

Though, that might have something to do with the fact that I only started adding links again today. And it's still a bit squirrelly, the tlink saving system (editing tags is buggy). BUT THINGS ARE STARTING TO WORK AGAIN. But oh, man, I want the Network back up. The hell is the point of the Follow without a feed? Just a placeholder for now, I suppose.

*grabbyhands at all the TSN fic*

[bluebrocade]

Undergraduates indeed! We just hired one who keeps calling me Ms. Hxxx instead of by my first name like I told her. I feel olllllld.

[meresy]

Ahaha, they make me feel old too, and they're third years so it's not like I am ANCIENT compared to them. But they were totally born in 1991 what the haaaaaaale.

Oh undergrads. I keep getting older, and they stay the same age. :P

[bluebrocade]

I graduated from high school in 1991. D: