"But they try so hard!"

[meresy]

1. Okay, okay. So the new Delicious team (single engineer?) has given us back the '/' in tags, the tag counts and pagination in tag view. Progress! I don't generally hold grudges long; I will forgive them their ham-handed unannounced site beta because they seem responsive and keen on getting shit done. Diigo's apparently got moralizers for owners

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[meresy]

I'm not really groking your feeling here. I suppose it's that I don't feel personally affronted by website inconveniences. I mean, if they LOST my data, we might have to have words, but they haven't. It's just usability issues. It's not even TOS shenanigans like it was with LJ, and I couldn't be moved to care too much about that, either. I don't own the site. It's not a democracy and I don't operate under that impression.

I feel like we don't even know AVOS yet, anyway, so it's hard for me to immediately imagine they're untrustworthy somehow. Stupid, misguided, I could believe -- they have shown some sign of that. But I don't find redesign inherently bad. Maybe with a little work they turn it into something eminently usable.

This, "They are clearly not responding out of a concern for their users" How is that clear? It's not to me. If you have other info I'd appreciate it. How do you know it's just a temporary sop? What if they just blundered at first (as many a siterunner does)? I don't need them to care personally about me, anyway. That's nice, but all I really want is a useful site. Yahoo provided a working site for a while, and they gave no shit about the site whatsoever, for us or themselves -- and that's what's the Good Ol' Days in this scenario.

I mean, if they do start taking functionality out again, I'll move just because of the permanent loss of utility. If they don't fix it enough in the coming weeks, they can lose me there, too. But I'll wait and see. No sense in packing it in before the dust even has a CHANCE to settle.

I guess, in brief, I didn't feel betrayed, just annoyed.

[kimboosan]

To me, the fact that they busted usability to shit without any real warnings about it, under the banner of "new and improved!" pretty much yells loudly that they did not give a rat's arse about their current user base. There were many other ways to handle that, especially if it was just a technical issue from the move over. But, yeah, that's totally my interpretation of events, and I could be 100% wrong.

Everyone has their tipping points; lots of my friends on LJ are totally happy with it, while I go at it with a long pole and gloves on. THen I have other friends who are even more paranoid than I am about certain issues and totally deleted their LJ accounts in protest, which whoa hey I'm not willing to do THAT. *shrug*

For me it boils down less to what actually happened with delicious, which you are right is not really much more than a hiccup if all the features are restored here soon, but rather how AVOS handled the whole issue, which IMHO was really, really poorly and highly suspect. But that's just me, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just explain why for me it is a lot more than mere annoyance.

[meresy]

Yeah, I gotcha, even if I'm not feeling your feeling. *g* And you're certainly not alone in finding it way too much BS. And somewhere out there is some weirdo who likes the hell out of this "Stacks" thing, regardless (which, idek, I suppose it might be good for themed fic recs. Meta grouping when you don't tag for it? Bah, I just want to bundle things.)

What shall you use now? Or can you survive without online bookmarks for a while? Me, I'd have withdrawals. If Delicious totally craps out, I'll bit the bullet and hang at Diigo, because tagged links, my precious.

[kimboosan]

Mwwwhahahaahahah TAGGED LINKS WE MUST HAVE THEM YES!!!!

You made me laugh about some weirdo out there liking stacks because, truth, I'm sure there is at least one out there! Always is, yes?

I'd beware diigo; I haven't read their TOS but some fen are having issues with tags marked "adult content" or something. I really should find out the facts about that. Honestly I think I'm heading to pinboard; the $10 lifetime cost is within my budget, I am just cheap.

So much ARGH, my precious! So much ARGH!

And I can't even watch SPN tonight. *weeps*

[meresy]

It's, like, Rule 39 or something, "somewhere there exist these mythical internet weirdos who like the site changes."

And I heard that about Diigo. They haven't gotten after my links, but none of my tags are red flags, I guess, and I don't tend to caption anything explicit. I'd live with it if it was just that they didn't want to become the next aggregator for everyone's lists of favourit porno clips (which, opkay, still silly, but I can kinda get it) and were just applying the TOS to all... but apparently they are being jerks when people ask about it. Then again, I think it was Aja who was relating this, and I take her flounce-causes with a grain of salt.

But that's why I said "bite the bullet" heh. And Pinboard, yeah, it's cheap for ME, but some people can honestly not get over there, so I kiiiiinda doubt it'll be generally adopted, even if those people are few and the rest of us just have a mental block. I'll go if my people go, but at the moment ye olde flist isn't signalling a move. So! Here I still am.

Noooooooooo, missing SPN! Our lives are so hard, okay. ;)