Syntactic analysis

Jan 25, 2013 22:05

Could someone help me with my analysis of the following sentence, please?

'New clinical trials show that including garlic in the diet can reduce cholesterol.'

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muckefuck January 25 2013, 22:00:00 UTC
What if you were analysing the subclause on its own (i.e. "Including garlic in the diet can reduce cholesterol"). How would you go about it?

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kleinerandroid January 25 2013, 23:28:56 UTC
Thank you for replying.

Well, I tried and came up with this :s


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ihcoyc January 26 2013, 00:29:31 UTC
I think where the difficulty comes from is that 'including' here is a gerund, a verbal noun that takes its own direct object:

**The recipe includes garlic.
**The act of including garlic.....
Including garlic....

Current English allows this gerund to function as the subject of a verb phrase, and the resulting verb phrase can serve as the subject of a subordinate clause. 'Garlic' here is a direct object; it's what's being included. (Including garlic) is a gerund phrase that is the subject of 'can'.

What's interesting is that 'including' can be omitted without changing the meaning. That would promote 'garlic' to the subject position.

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helenadax January 25 2013, 22:05:26 UTC
That including garlic in the diet can reduce cholesterol is a Direct Object. I'm pretty sure that can reduce cholesterol is a VP but I don't remember the rules about verbs as subjects and even if I did, I'm Spanish and I'm not sure both languages follow the same rules about that.

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kleinerandroid January 25 2013, 23:41:03 UTC
Thank you!

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greenkrokodilla January 26 2013, 02:10:12 UTC
Sth (= new clinical trials = Noun Phrase) show sth (which in this case is a that-clause -- V+that-clause ).
The verb (show) imposes its own Verb Pattern on the rest of the sentence in this case, show + that-clause
-- Now, "new clinical trials" is a simple NP -- adj+adj+head noun
-- The (that-clause) is simply a clause with its own structure equal to that of a regular sentence:
What? (including garlic in the diet) can do what? (reduce cholesterol)1.1 The first serves as the Subject created from (V-ing + its Verb Phrase ( ... )

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akibare January 26 2013, 04:19:15 UTC
For what it's worth, I worked on a machine translation system long ago now (late 1980's to early 1990's). I worked on the Japanese to English translation program specifically. I started at that company fresh out of high school, doing data entry. (I was hired based on a written examination, part of which was translation and part of which was diagramming sentences in both Japanese and English, so to all those people who laugh and say "why should I ever learn to diagram a sentence in school??" I can say, hey, it got at least ONE person a job ( ... )

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greenkrokodilla January 26 2013, 10:09:12 UTC
Yep, thanks.
Machine translation is a fascinating area, and machines' inability to understand semantics are at the core of the general failure of such systems.

HERE IS A (PARTIAL) ENTRY for a frequent word "LEAVE":
    leave ( leaves 3rd person present) ( leaving present participle) ( left past tense & past participle )

    1 verb If you leave a place or person, you go away from that place or person.
    He would not be allowed to leave the country... V n
    I simply couldn't bear to leave my little girl... V n
    My flight leaves in less than an hour... V
    The last of the older children had left for school. V for n

    2 verb If you leave an institution, group, or job, you permanently stop attending that institution, being a member of that group, or doing that job.
    He left school with no qualifications... V n
    I am leaving to concentrate on writing fiction. V
    ...a leaving present. V-ing

    3 verb If you leave your husband, wife, or some other person with whom you have had a close relationship, you stop living with them or you finish the ( ... )

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greenkrokodilla January 26 2013, 10:09:33 UTC
(continued)
It may seem to a native speaker of English that - because there is a general logical thread connecting different uses of LEAVE, running through these sub-senses, that some of them may be lumped together and redefined as (Oxford dict):
    1. cause to or let remain, depart without taking, have at time of one's death.
    2. abstain from consuming or dealing with; (in pass) remain over;
    3 let remain in unspecified state
    and so on
That's how they tried to explain language in the 19 century, and that mindless tradition still survives - well, it is actually thriving in monstrosities like Merriam-Webster ( ... )

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