that too. hell most of these fics aren't even RPF, because the majority of them aren't even about the actual actors. They're just about two guys who use the actors' names.
The thing I don't like about a majority of Chloe-centric crossovers is that they seem to exist solely as a way give a boyfriend who is awesome and cool since the "dumb" writers won't let her date Clark on the show. And they all seem to start with one of the boys seeing her in the Talon and being instantly smitten.
Exactly, and they never seem to bother with getting her with the other character naturally.
I mean, Dean's a great guy, but he's a womanizer. If he just saw Chloe in a bar or anywhere else for that matter, and got the hots for her, he'd sleep with her and then leave. It's what he does.
Most of these writers seem to forget this and just act as if he'd instantly fall in love with her and fall for her. It makes her look very Mary Sue like.
(That and half of these fics ignore the importance of Sam in Dean's life. Because he'd never ever pick anyone over Sam. Not even a woman he'd love)
It just feels like the writers are so convinced of Chloe's awesomeness, that they don't bother to show the readers why Chloe is supposed to be so aweome. (you know, other than having the other characters say just how awesome she is. If they aren't acting as if no one sees just how great she is)
*nods* I like Chloe because she's not always perfect. That's what makes characters interesting. So I'm flabbergasted that I see all this fic that features Chloe but isn't really about her. It's about some blond girl that is awesome at everything and who everyone loves.
And I just reread what you said about the J2 fic and I so totally agree. I started out being interested in it but so much of it just makes me want to tear my hair out. Most of it isn't really about Jared and Jensen and many of the authors have a tendency to just plug the names of other actors into parts without any thought to how that person "actually" is.
And the worst part is that if you'd say something about it, they'd feel you hate Chloe. Which I don't. I just hate generic blond who's taken Chloe's place in fanon. Hell it's the same reason I dislike reading Xander crossovers. Most of them aren't about Xander, they're about hot young guy who's good at everything, has cool hyena powers and soldier knowledge and is so much more awesome than any of the girls in the show... and are thus boring as hell...
Why is it so hard for people who claim to love the regular characters in a show, to actually write said regular characters, instead of using those chars as a self insert. Because to me the only thing worse than a Mary Sue, is a Canon Sue. Because at least the Mary Sue actually still interacts with the canon chars, while the canon sue replaces the canon char and just throws the real char out of the story.
I don't watch SV, so I can't comment on that part of your rant, but the other two parts? Hell yeah. I love reading Dean/Cas, but only when they actually resemble the two characters. And call me crazy, but I tend to think that Dean WOULD NOT fall into bed with a guy, if he ever slept with Castiel. I think he'd have a very hard time admitting that what he felt for the angel went beyond friendship.
(And, personally, I like the idea of a bromance between the two of them, even more than your traditional romance.)
I have to agree on that one. I mean, we've seen enough of Dean to know that he flirts with any girl he thinks is hot. We've also had repeated references of him saying "he doesn't swing that way". Not in a way of, having anything against it with others. Just that he doesn't go that way.
Not that this has stopped any slash writer in the past. But if you want to write a fic with a canonically heterosexual char in a gay relationship, then do the effort of exploring that. Because in my opinion, it can only make the story more interesting and add tensions.
I don't know, for me, Smallville is and always has been, the story of Clark Kent. Chloe's a nice supporting character, but she's not the point of the show, she's not the reason to watch it and she's not what Smallville is all about.I get what you're saying, but then I see fan fic as fandoms way of telling their own story that interests them, even when it doesn't match up with what's on the show (i.e all of the Clex fic I used to read *g*). She's not the point of the show, but she can be used as the heroine in the stories being written about her
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I get what you're saying, but then I see fan fic as fandoms way of telling their own story that interests them, even when it doesn't match up with what's on the show (i.e all of the Clex fic I used to read *g*). She's not the point of the show, but she can be used as the heroine in the stories being written about herOh I know, like I said, I'm a bit of a hypocrite on this one, since I watched both Buffy and Angel for Spike. Rather than for the main characters on either
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Oh absolutely I prefer reading SPN fic too. I find Dean a far more interesting character to read about than the weepy Jensen that a lot of J2 fic producers... Ditto Sam and all of his complex issues (plus evil Sam *drools*) appeals to me more than the fun-loving characterisation that Jarad generally gets. I'll still skip over J2 fics more often that not, unless the summary is something that catches my attention. But there are so many of them that I have inevitably started reading more and more J2 fics based on an interesting summary, it's a pretty huge fandom when it comes to finding the fic genre that you like
Actually I kind of got the impression that more J2 fic was being written once the rift between Sam and Dean began, I wasn't familiar with SPN fandom before season 4 but that's what people have been suggesting.
But isn't half the fun about repairing the rift between Sam and Dean? If everything is already perfect between them, then you have less tension to work with in a fic.
I've been planning to read that one for a while, thanks for giving a link :-)
I never understand why rps fics would make it easier to find readers. You'd think that if you read fanfic about a show, that you'd want to read fics about the characters actually on the show...
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I mean, Dean's a great guy, but he's a womanizer. If he just saw Chloe in a bar or anywhere else for that matter, and got the hots for her, he'd sleep with her and then leave. It's what he does.
Most of these writers seem to forget this and just act as if he'd instantly fall in love with her and fall for her. It makes her look very Mary Sue like.
(That and half of these fics ignore the importance of Sam in Dean's life. Because he'd never ever pick anyone over Sam. Not even a woman he'd love)
It just feels like the writers are so convinced of Chloe's awesomeness, that they don't bother to show the readers why Chloe is supposed to be so aweome. (you know, other than having the other characters say just how awesome she is. If they aren't acting as if no one sees just how great she is)
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And I just reread what you said about the J2 fic and I so totally agree. I started out being interested in it but so much of it just makes me want to tear my hair out. Most of it isn't really about Jared and Jensen and many of the authors have a tendency to just plug the names of other actors into parts without any thought to how that person "actually" is.
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Why is it so hard for people who claim to love the regular characters in a show, to actually write said regular characters, instead of using those chars as a self insert. Because to me the only thing worse than a Mary Sue, is a Canon Sue. Because at least the Mary Sue actually still interacts with the canon chars, while the canon sue replaces the canon char and just throws the real char out of the story.
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(And, personally, I like the idea of a bromance between the two of them, even more than your traditional romance.)
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Not that this has stopped any slash writer in the past. But if you want to write a fic with a canonically heterosexual char in a gay relationship, then do the effort of exploring that. Because in my opinion, it can only make the story more interesting and add tensions.
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Actually I kind of got the impression that more J2 fic was being written once the rift between Sam and Dean began, I wasn't familiar with SPN fandom before season 4 but that's what people have been suggesting.
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I never understand why rps fics would make it easier to find readers. You'd think that if you read fanfic about a show, that you'd want to read fics about the characters actually on the show...
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