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liliaeth August 4 2009, 13:34:26 UTC
I get what you're saying, but then I see fan fic as fandoms way of telling their own story that interests them, even when it doesn't match up with what's on the show (i.e all of the Clex fic I used to read *g*). She's not the point of the show, but she can be used as the heroine in the stories being written about her

Oh I know, like I said, I'm a bit of a hypocrite on this one, since I watched both Buffy and Angel for Spike. Rather than for the main characters on either.

It's more that they don't just ignore the other characters, but that very often, Chloe then on top of that gets treated like a generic blond reporter char, instead of as the Chloe on the show. I don't know, she just gets so easily turned into a Mary Sue...

And yeah, I can see that seen as original fic, J2 fics can be pretty damn good. I guess it's just that when I'm looking through SPN fanfic, I just want to read fics about Sam and Dean... not original fic

If that makes any sense.

I guess it's more my problem than the J2 writers. But I'd rather have good writers write Sam and Dean fic, rather than to have to get invested in new characters who just happen to look like the boys.

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frelling_tralk August 4 2009, 13:44:33 UTC
Oh absolutely I prefer reading SPN fic too. I find Dean a far more interesting character to read about than the weepy Jensen that a lot of J2 fic producers... Ditto Sam and all of his complex issues (plus evil Sam *drools*) appeals to me more than the fun-loving characterisation that Jarad generally gets. I'll still skip over J2 fics more often that not, unless the summary is something that catches my attention. But there are so many of them that I have inevitably started reading more and more J2 fics based on an interesting summary, it's a pretty huge fandom when it comes to finding the fic genre that you like

Actually I kind of got the impression that more J2 fic was being written once the rift between Sam and Dean began, I wasn't familiar with SPN fandom before season 4 but that's what people have been suggesting.

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liliaeth August 4 2009, 13:51:39 UTC
But isn't half the fun about repairing the rift between Sam and Dean? If everything is already perfect between them, then you have less tension to work with in a fic.

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frelling_tralk August 4 2009, 13:54:41 UTC
As a Clex fan I would have thought so, but what I've heard is that some SPN fans became frustrated at Sam and Dean no longer being as close as they were, and more J2 fic was produced at that time as people could make them as OTP as they liked in their fic

Oh and I do think it's a mistake to treat SPN fic and J2 fic as interchangeable. For instance there's spnstoryfinders for finding a fic where you'd think it would be SPN-related fic only as it pretty much says that in the profile, but it has just as many requests for J2. I really think that SPN fic and RPS should be treated as a seperate thing and get their own communities, but even rec lists seemed to have a mixture of the two

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liliaeth August 4 2009, 14:08:10 UTC
hell as a Buffy/Spike, Spike/Angel, Spike/Xander and Spike/Giles shipper, with a side order of Methos/Duncan and Clark/Lex, I guess I've always had more interest in pairings that involved some kind of tension between the characters. I love the bond between Sam and Dean, and it's the very closeness between them, that makes the rift between them so interesting to read about.

It makes things more complex, and it makes them getting over the rift more interesting as well. Now I don't like wincest as a rule, but if I did, I'd want to have that tension between them, because since they already love one another, it gives you something to get over as part of the plot.

But then I've never really been into pwp's to begin with.

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