bloodplay: Lots of people do. Thus the abundance of biting. I actually don't really find vampire biting all that sexy. Anything that breaks the skin sends my thoughts down other corridors (is that healthy? wouldn't blood loss turn you off? how can Angel maintain an erection if he's losing blood? HOW DOES ANGEL MAINTAIN AN ERECTION IN THE FIRST PLACE???, stuff like that). Biting, however, that doesn't break the skin is a huge old kink of mine, especially when it leaves big purple chewed-on bruises because every time he came he bit into the exact same place where her shoulder flowed into her neck. *shudder*
Same with any kind of bloodplay. I wrote a fic in which Buffy stabbed Angel while they were having sex and he really got off on it, but that was because I believed it was necessary for plot/theme purposes and not because I have that kink.
Wait- did I read that B/A stabbing story?? Because. Guh.
I don't think about vampire erections anymore. I mean- you know what I mean. The mechanics of them. I just accept it as a supernatural event no less likely than vampires existing in the first place. Plus, it's obvious they get off on violence, so it seems likely to me they would like some of that in their sex. The sex bite is canonical anyway, between Darla and Angelus, and certainly Drusilla.
Hickeys are a nice kink. There are hickeys in the story I hope you can finally get open.
-It was in 5 Way NFA Probably Didn't End. Which is kinda cumbersome, so I'd forgive you for not reading it. The stabbing and sex was supposed to be hot, but ended up trying to be all Meaningful And Shit.
-Yes, of course. I don't think about vampire erections that much either except when the biting starts happening, I can't help it. And it's definitely canon and *definitely* something one would expect them to do, I just don't find it as hot as say, A/S punching each other's lights out. I dunno why!
non linear thoughtssamsomMarch 17 2007, 05:16:17 UTC
Probably my biggest non!kink is the blood tie, or mystical links of any kind. Maybe I OD'd on it before the Buffyverse, or during, but I just find the whole thing a shortcut. Where's the tension, the story, when two people know what the other is thinking/feeling all the time?
Blank pages are alluring to me. It beckons me to ignore the thirty WiPs on my Word doc with something shiny and new.
I do view all my fic as wish-fulfillment but most of them don't end happily, or end at all. I like to write 'snapshots' of what-ifs without diverging to wildly from the source material. I have this block where if any fic ends with Cordy and Angel snuggling in front of a fire, then there wouldn't be anything left for me to say. And also, it's too easy to solve their problems with a paragraph or ten, and presumptuous, when the shows themselves couldn't. If that makes sense.
Re: non linear thoughtsletteredMarch 20 2007, 20:05:11 UTC
blood tie, or mystical links of any kind
No wonder you didn't want to buy Beauty and the Beast on DVD. Which I did, btw. Like, three days after you mentioned it. OMG I LOVE THIS SHOW. But yeah, they have like this empathic link, and I agree, it would be better without it. And this goes back to my Romance Pet Peeves which I've been compiling...I think what's interesting about the list is that I *used* to find these things sexy and entertaining. I used to think characters having some kind of "link" was really cool. Now I agree, it seems like a total shortcut, and things are so much more complex when it's just human being trying to connect like the rest of us. EVEN IF ONE OF THE HUMAN BEINGS IS A CAT-MAN. *coughs*
It beckons me to ignore the thirty WiPs on my Word doc with something shiny and new.
Dude. Are you me? *checks*
I do view all my fic as wish-fulfillment but most of them don't end happily, or end at all.
Yeah, it's interesting how many sad stories I still think of as wish fulfillment. It's wish fulfillment in
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Re: non linear thoughtssamsomMarch 21 2007, 01:34:46 UTC
I used to think characters having some kind of "link" was really cool.
Maybe it'd be cool of the link was detrimental to both people. You know, if in case one accidently writes a blood exchange between a human and a vampire, and now is cornered by plot idea she can't get out of?
Um, but yeah. I used to think it was awesome and cool but I think we eventually get past the need to see a 'link' between two people. Attraction is a strong enough link, a complusion for someone, without convenient mystical/blood origins.
Re: non linear thoughtsletteredMarch 21 2007, 21:04:26 UTC
You know, if in case one accidently writes a blood exchange between a human and a vampire, and now is cornered by plot idea she can't get out of?
Hahaha! You're so cute. No, I think it can work. I mean, I'm loving BatB right now even thought they do have that link stuff. I just think it's something that needs to be handled both sparingly and carefully.
when I want to write fic I don't want to tell a story so much as say something about the characters. Even when my idea starts out as plot based, I write not because I want to see what happens, so much as I want want what happens to reveal who the characters are inside, and to affect that core.
This is very true for me as well (I'm horrible with plot). I think it goes with what you were saying about wish-fulfillment earlier on. I don't write fic for wish-fulfillment so much as I read fic for wishfullfillment, but I do write fic mainly to process canon; it's not about fixing it, but it is about analyzing it and processing it and making it make more sense to me. Sometimes I have to explain things to myself. I wish I could write just to play with the world. I wish I was good with plot and could just write stories, but it doesn't seem to work that way for me so much.
I love your last paragraph. I love that you see it that way. Oh, my show.
it's not about fixing it, but it is about analyzing it and processing it and making it make more sense to me. Sometimes I have to explain things to myself.
Yeah, exactly. It's amazing how many times I've sat down with meta about a character and then decided to write a fic instead of an essay. There was this post on metafandom a bit ago about how fanfic is/can be academic/intellectual discourse, except it's the intuitive sort rather than the analytical. I thought that was a brilliant way of looking at it.
I wish I could write just to play with the world.
I do do this at times and it's never pretty.
As for plot...even when I have a plot and really think I am writing *just* to make something happen, a theme creeps up that ends up being something Deep And Meaningful I've discovered or need to process about the characters.
I have not much to say because I was pretty much just going through this whole thing nodding "Yes, yes, uh huh, totally think that too" so I'm just basically commenting to say "Yes, yes, uh huh, I really agree with all of this." Especially The cry, "Aieeeeeee!" But not so much the blank page vs continuing on thing, because I'm with the majority and more intimidated by the blank page, unless I've just had something running through my head and it's just bursting to get out there. Also, the last paragraph was way more than I have ever thought about, but I find it quite mind-blowingly awesome, so!
Well, I guess I don't really sit down to write unless I have something bursting to get out...but then once I get out everything that was running through my head, I dunno what to do with it! It's not usually a complete story.
late to the party as usualseraphceleneMarch 19 2007, 22:51:59 UTC
It was bizay today at work, but I conquered all that I suveyed. Boo-YA!!!
Anyway, back to things that *matter* ...
Closed vs. Open Canon, Writing Aus
Having been weaned on Farscape fic, and specifically Maayan’s fic, the AU is probably, for me, the best part about fandom. When writers can see their way past canon, whether it’s closed or open, and into Uncharted Territories (pun intended).
Dark!fics: definition, and the endless 'vs. fluff' debate.That’s so curious. I always think of dark in terms of theme. Hopelessness, despair, suicide, etc. And it isn’t always good. I think someone mentioned well written fluff is harder to write and I think it’s true. I also think that my tolerance for poorly written dark!fic is higher than my tolerance for poorly written fluff because fluff can become so trite and clichéd so very easily. But dark is dark and fluff … fluff is happily ever after but that doesn’t make it any less worthy. In fact, if you can get me to *believe* in that happily ever after you are amazing and I am pea green with
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Your last paragraph made me supremely happy and I wish I could comment intelligently on it. Alas.
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Same with any kind of bloodplay. I wrote a fic in which Buffy stabbed Angel while they were having sex and he really got off on it, but that was because I believed it was necessary for plot/theme purposes and not because I have that kink.
last paragraph: me too.
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I don't think about vampire erections anymore. I mean- you know what I mean. The mechanics of them. I just accept it as a supernatural event no less likely than vampires existing in the first place. Plus, it's obvious they get off on violence, so it seems likely to me they would like some of that in their sex. The sex bite is canonical anyway, between Darla and Angelus, and certainly Drusilla.
Hickeys are a nice kink. There are hickeys in the story I hope you can finally get open.
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-Yes, of course. I don't think about vampire erections that much either except when the biting starts happening, I can't help it. And it's definitely canon and *definitely* something one would expect them to do, I just don't find it as hot as say, A/S punching each other's lights out. I dunno why!
-I can get it open now! Thanks so much.
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Blank pages are alluring to me. It beckons me to ignore the thirty WiPs on my Word doc with something shiny and new.
I do view all my fic as wish-fulfillment but most of them don't end happily, or end at all. I like to write 'snapshots' of what-ifs without diverging to wildly from the source material. I have this block where if any fic ends with Cordy and Angel snuggling in front of a fire, then there wouldn't be anything left for me to say. And also, it's too easy to solve their problems with a paragraph or ten, and presumptuous, when the shows themselves couldn't. If that makes sense.
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No wonder you didn't want to buy Beauty and the Beast on DVD. Which I did, btw. Like, three days after you mentioned it. OMG I LOVE THIS SHOW. But yeah, they have like this empathic link, and I agree, it would be better without it. And this goes back to my Romance Pet Peeves which I've been compiling...I think what's interesting about the list is that I *used* to find these things sexy and entertaining. I used to think characters having some kind of "link" was really cool. Now I agree, it seems like a total shortcut, and things are so much more complex when it's just human being trying to connect like the rest of us. EVEN IF ONE OF THE HUMAN BEINGS IS A CAT-MAN. *coughs*
It beckons me to ignore the thirty WiPs on my Word doc with something shiny and new.
Dude. Are you me? *checks*
I do view all my fic as wish-fulfillment but most of them don't end happily, or end at all.
Yeah, it's interesting how many sad stories I still think of as wish fulfillment. It's wish fulfillment in ( ... )
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Maybe it'd be cool of the link was detrimental to both people. You know, if in case one accidently writes a blood exchange between a human and a vampire, and now is cornered by plot idea she can't get out of?
Um, but yeah. I used to think it was awesome and cool but I think we eventually get past the need to see a 'link' between two people. Attraction is a strong enough link, a complusion for someone, without convenient mystical/blood origins.
Dude. Are you me?
*checks birth certificate*
Nope. Still me. *g*
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Hahaha! You're so cute. No, I think it can work. I mean, I'm loving BatB right now even thought they do have that link stuff. I just think it's something that needs to be handled both sparingly and carefully.
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This is very true for me as well (I'm horrible with plot). I think it goes with what you were saying about wish-fulfillment earlier on. I don't write fic for wish-fulfillment so much as I read fic for wishfullfillment, but I do write fic mainly to process canon; it's not about fixing it, but it is about analyzing it and processing it and making it make more sense to me. Sometimes I have to explain things to myself. I wish I could write just to play with the world. I wish I was good with plot and could just write stories, but it doesn't seem to work that way for me so much.
I love your last paragraph. I love that you see it that way. Oh, my show.
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Yeah, exactly. It's amazing how many times I've sat down with meta about a character and then decided to write a fic instead of an essay. There was this post on metafandom a bit ago about how fanfic is/can be academic/intellectual discourse, except it's the intuitive sort rather than the analytical. I thought that was a brilliant way of looking at it.
I wish I could write just to play with the world.
I do do this at times and it's never pretty.
As for plot...even when I have a plot and really think I am writing *just* to make something happen, a theme creeps up that ends up being something Deep And Meaningful I've discovered or need to process about the characters.
and thanks!
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And thanks.
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Anyway, back to things that *matter* ...
Closed vs. Open Canon, Writing Aus
Having been weaned on Farscape fic, and specifically Maayan’s fic, the AU is probably, for me, the best part about fandom. When writers can see their way past canon, whether it’s closed or open, and into Uncharted Territories (pun intended).
Dark!fics: definition, and the endless 'vs. fluff' debate.That’s so curious. I always think of dark in terms of theme. Hopelessness, despair, suicide, etc. And it isn’t always good. I think someone mentioned well written fluff is harder to write and I think it’s true. I also think that my tolerance for poorly written dark!fic is higher than my tolerance for poorly written fluff because fluff can become so trite and clichéd so very easily. But dark is dark and fluff … fluff is happily ever after but that doesn’t make it any less worthy. In fact, if you can get me to *believe* in that happily ever after you are amazing and I am pea green with ( ... )
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