Ya know, if I keep these novels up, I'll need to buy another keyboard, and a new set of wrists. But nevertheless, here's my recap & review of Exodus, pt 1, though ( I don't think 'recap' quite describes it. )
You know, I've been pondering all week about the "Adama wouldn't lie to me" out of Sharon's mouth. My BSG season 2.5 episodes are with a friend, so I wasn't able to go back and rewatch the scene when Laura gives the baby to Maya on Colinial One. I remember Laura, Tori, Maya. I don't remember if Adama was there, or any conversation with him about sending Hera off; if he knew about the baby substitution or if it was all on Laura.
I chuckle at the Six/Baltar relationship. She was clearly 'in love' with the total scoundrel he was in the mini, and it took him all of season 1 and part of season 2 to actually fall in love with HER, or at least the idea of her, through his vision and Gina. Now they are together, and it's so not a hearts and flowers relationship. Clearly, love does not solve all and does not guarantee a bright, shiny future. And I think that idea is also going to be evident (<--- totally spoiler free) the more we see of Kara/Sam and Sharon/Helo and hello... Kara/Lee
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I'd completely forgotten that the first time I watched the Adama farewell scene that I was so overcome with giggles over pudgy!Lee that I didn't actually hear the music. I guess I was so busy typing in the other window the second time around that it didn't quite have the same effect. But yes, fat Lee, honestly and totally, made me LAUGH in the byebye scene, and if I am looking forwards to anything this season it's seeing him in a position where I can take him seriously again. Because you're absolutely right: they haven't sold Fat!Lee very well, just like Lee/Dee: it's there, and we're seeing it, but it doesn't make huge amounts of sense given what we know about the character.
It's annoying when what we're seeing seems to mostly rely on what we don't know yet with regards to core characters; at least what Kara does with regards to the things we don't know about her yet are still consistent with the things we do.
I notice you didn't include Dee/Lee in your list of 'ships where 'love may not conquer all'... can I ask why? =)
LOL you caught that. I don't think Lee really loves her. And I think Kara's comment in LDYB2 about 'frakking Dualla' may have really hit home. Of course, this is my spec, because we certainly haven't seen anything onscreen.
Hopefully we'll get more insight into our pilots' frakked up relationships as we get further into the season.
You're right that we haven't seen much of it to judge by, but I'm inclined to think there's something in it, even if it's not the firey, romantic feelings he obviously held for Kara. Perhaps its the contrast that attracted him: even while he was trying to get closer to Kara - and I say trying because there's not really an appropriate word for his half-hearted, mostly unrealised attempts to get her attention - and being hurt by her remove, he was noticing Dee, and I think it's because she's Kara's polar opposite
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Heh. Maybe TPTB should read these, because your speculative paragraph on the "stretched thin" comment would make a lot of sense.
Adama... The more I think about it, the more I'm expecting it to be something along the lines of he doesn't know what happened, but that he suspects. I don't think Laura told him her plans in regard to Hera anymore than she did her (Tory's) plans in regard to the election. But I believe that Adama is smart enough to put two and two together properly (as Sam did when Laura told him that "Isis" may be the face of things to come) to realize that Laura did something about the baby and that it might very well be that Hera is alive. And I'd like to think that Laura would not have told him about it so that there could be a "plausible deniability" if the secret is ever found out by either Sharon or Helo. I don't think Laura would deliberately put Bill into such a sticky situation if she didn't have to, you know?
I can agree with your reasoning here, but it occurs to me also that on occasion, Adama's drawn a very definite moral line. You don't do some things, you don't break your word, and even if it needs to be done, he can't necessarily follow through on the decision - witness his never giving the signal to Kara to kill Cain - despite the possibility of risk. I think, if he had anything more than suspicions (meaning: if he could prove what he might think about Hera) then he would feel bound to say so if Sharon asked. She says "Adama wouldn't lie to me", which implies she asked.
Perhaps he hasn't given her the entirety of the truth, but then, perhaps he doesn't know for sure. I'm hoping that he honestly doesn't, because stretching Sharon's loyalty after mending this fence? Obvious and already-done-that drama. Whereas, friction between Adama and Roslin plays out on a much deeper scale of affairs, and gives an opportunity for other consequences. Still, there's ample proof that this show can take the obvious route on occasion
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My cylon hypothesis has undergone a lot of changes in the new season; I still can't figure what they want with Kara, so unless it's as I offhandedly suggested here, that her importance is understood mostly to Leoben and merely accepted (but not acted on) by the other models, I can only guess that she's once again someone they identify with in many ways.
I've been thinking more and more that Starbuck is really only important to Leoben, not to the general Cylon population. Yes, she's known to them and is important to them in that she is one of the biggest threats to their domination, but I think they probably see Leoben as kind of a loon for his obsession with her. Although obviously not to the point that they don't help him keep her in captivity in a nice apartment (at least if you ignore that isolated and barred aspect).
On the other hand, I think that maybe Leoben is right about her having a destiny, but that she and the other Cylons don't really believe him, they're just humoring him.
Perhaps Leoben's status as their 'seer' of sorts means they're willing to take him at his word. Kara's importance is something he understands, maybe? that he's told the other cylons of and that they, as much as they can, believe in because he's the one who seems to be closest to knowing what God wants with regards to her
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Lovely recap, as always. I enjoy reliving the episodes through your lyrical descriptions.
I like your theory about why the Cylons are "stretched." However, I don't know that I think the majority of toasters are in it for Earth, because that doesn't explain (1) how they knew the RTFF would head for Earth, (2) why they would nuke the Colonies in the first place.
That said, I can believe there are multiple factions among the Cylons:
- one that does indeed seek Earth, either with the intent of destroying all human colonies (I think I wrote a fic with that motive in it, once! =0P), or, as you said, passing for human once they get there
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Well, how they knew is problematic, but there's a few hints: Scripture, the 'cycle of time', etc suggest that there's always going to be a 'thirteenth tribe', and even if they didn't know at first, they certainly found out after the destruction of the colonies
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Well, how they knew is problematic, but there's a few hints
I wonder not so much how the Cylons knew that Earth exists, but how they would know that the RTFF/Adama would break and run for the mythical thirteenth colony. I'm surmising that that was just a lucky break for the group assigned to clean up that particular sector.
They may not even know why they're unable to receive more support. Huh. Didn't even think about resources being rationed out. I guess God has a plan. :0) That, or they're too far away for an easy resupply.
Yep: Leoben's definitely not following mainstream cylon agenda; either that, or whatever he's into with Kara is exponentially more important than I have seen suggested.
And yes, it's really nice to have some knowledge and understanding of Anders, now. I can see what it is about him that drew Kara, how he's effective and doesn't seem to make right/wrong judgements, just accepts people's choices and doesn't ask questions. Honestly, I think he was a healthy choice for her to make pre-NuCap, but I'm vaguely frightened of the consequences of her sojourn with Leoben as regards their relationship. I really don't see yet which way they're going to play it.
I'll miss Sam, too. He's been surrogate eye-candy while Helo's mired in envelopy blue uniforms and Lee's wading through calories. And he's been a surprisingly good performer. Let's hope they don't write him out too soon, that his exit winds up as the attachment winds down.
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I chuckle at the Six/Baltar relationship. She was clearly 'in love' with the total scoundrel he was in the mini, and it took him all of season 1 and part of season 2 to actually fall in love with HER, or at least the idea of her, through his vision and Gina. Now they are together, and it's so not a hearts and flowers relationship. Clearly, love does not solve all and does not guarantee a bright, shiny future. And I think that idea is also going to be evident (<--- totally spoiler free) the more we see of Kara/Sam and Sharon/Helo and hello... Kara/Lee ( ... )
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It's annoying when what we're seeing seems to mostly rely on what we don't know yet with regards to core characters; at least what Kara does with regards to the things we don't know about her yet are still consistent with the things we do.
I notice you didn't include Dee/Lee in your list of 'ships where 'love may not conquer all'... can I ask why? =)
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Hopefully we'll get more insight into our pilots' frakked up relationships as we get further into the season.
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Heh. Maybe TPTB should read these, because your speculative paragraph on the "stretched thin" comment would make a lot of sense.
Adama... The more I think about it, the more I'm expecting it to be something along the lines of he doesn't know what happened, but that he suspects. I don't think Laura told him her plans in regard to Hera anymore than she did her (Tory's) plans in regard to the election. But I believe that Adama is smart enough to put two and two together properly (as Sam did when Laura told him that "Isis" may be the face of things to come) to realize that Laura did something about the baby and that it might very well be that Hera is alive. And I'd like to think that Laura would not have told him about it so that there could be a "plausible deniability" if the secret is ever found out by either Sharon or Helo. I don't think Laura would deliberately put Bill into such a sticky situation if she didn't have to, you know?
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Perhaps he hasn't given her the entirety of the truth, but then, perhaps he doesn't know for sure. I'm hoping that he honestly doesn't, because stretching Sharon's loyalty after mending this fence? Obvious and already-done-that drama. Whereas, friction between Adama and Roslin plays out on a much deeper scale of affairs, and gives an opportunity for other consequences. Still, there's ample proof that this show can take the obvious route on occasion ( ... )
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I've been thinking more and more that Starbuck is really only important to Leoben, not to the general Cylon population. Yes, she's known to them and is important to them in that she is one of the biggest threats to their domination, but I think they probably see Leoben as kind of a loon for his obsession with her. Although obviously not to the point that they don't help him keep her in captivity in a nice apartment (at least if you ignore that isolated and barred aspect).
On the other hand, I think that maybe Leoben is right about her having a destiny, but that she and the other Cylons don't really believe him, they're just humoring him.
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I like your theory about why the Cylons are "stretched." However, I don't know that I think the majority of toasters are in it for Earth, because that doesn't explain (1) how they knew the RTFF would head for Earth, (2) why they would nuke the Colonies in the first place.
That said, I can believe there are multiple factions among the Cylons:
- one that does indeed seek Earth, either with the intent of destroying all human colonies (I think I wrote a fic with that motive in it, once! =0P), or, as you said, passing for human once they get there ( ... )
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I wonder not so much how the Cylons knew that Earth exists, but how they would know that the RTFF/Adama would break and run for the mythical thirteenth colony. I'm surmising that that was just a lucky break for the group assigned to clean up that particular sector.
They may not even know why they're unable to receive more support.
Huh. Didn't even think about resources being rationed out. I guess God has a plan. :0) That, or they're too far away for an easy resupply.
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And yes, it's really nice to have some knowledge and understanding of Anders, now. I can see what it is about him that drew Kara, how he's effective and doesn't seem to make right/wrong judgements, just accepts people's choices and doesn't ask questions. Honestly, I think he was a healthy choice for her to make pre-NuCap, but I'm vaguely frightened of the consequences of her sojourn with Leoben as regards their relationship. I really don't see yet which way they're going to play it.
I'll miss Sam, too. He's been surrogate eye-candy while Helo's mired in envelopy blue uniforms and Lee's wading through calories. And he's been a surprisingly good performer. Let's hope they don't write him out too soon, that his exit winds up as the attachment winds down.
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