Something I don't get.

Feb 06, 2010 14:34

Why is it that there are so many people who hate Sora because he "killed their favorite characters?"

Possibly minor Days spoilers and much rantiness. )

wimpy sora, sora, organization

Leave a comment

Comments 180

starcrossed_sky February 7 2010, 01:03:16 UTC
I gotta agree with this and all the comments; yes, Sora's a bit dense, and yes IMO he kind of gives the Nobodies the short end of the stick, but 93% of them (ish. I'm too lazy to actually do the math right now) kind of really deserve it.

I have one friend who hates Sora for ... actually I have no idea, but it has something to do with Kairi. I don't know.

But would the Sora haters please go to the back of the fandom with the rest of the bashers? It's like somehow hating Sora has become OKAY in this fandom, which isn't cool. Personally I'm on a no-hate basis with... almost the entirenty of the cast. It works pretty well.

Reply

ceriene February 8 2010, 12:46:55 UTC
Also on a no-hate basis with all of the cast. /highfive

Reply


stigmatize February 7 2010, 01:51:15 UTC
i was on board with this until you started painting sora as a ~tragic hero~

Reply

higenshi February 7 2010, 01:54:08 UTC
Can you point out how he's not a tragic hero? (Granted, you ARE a troll.)

Reply

stigmatize February 7 2010, 02:02:14 UTC
ilu2bb

Well, for one, what is tragic about Sora's story? Sure, there is hardship and loss and blah blah blah BUT IN THE END everyone he cares about is saved and they get to be big damn heroes and save the day and in the end through the power of liiiiight they get to go back to their idyllic island paradise and frolic through the waves. literally.

When you compare that to someone like ... Zack, for instance, who was also a happy-go-lucky kind of guy who experienced hardship and in the end died accomplishing nothing, well.

A 'tragic hero' usually has some kind of long-standing tragedy involved in their story, yeah?

Reply

higenshi February 7 2010, 02:09:37 UTC
...You do realize there is another sequel in the works and that, no, Sora's story is NOT over yet, right?

Reply


herazi February 7 2010, 02:17:30 UTC
Sora hate makes no sense to me. D= It's like killing the messenger.

Besides, I like the Org BECAUSE they're evil amoral pseudo-ghosts.

Reply


divineduckling February 7 2010, 20:04:41 UTC
Why is it that there are so many people who hate Sora because he "killed their favorite characters?"

Because sadly, people don't like KH for what it is - being Sora's story. They like it for their Squenix Bishies and angst and Sora's the kid that was too happy to make it into a Final Fantasy game.
Also, his development needs you to put some effort into seeing it instead of it being spoon fed to you like with Riku, so a lot of people don't even bother with him.

I mean, honestly, why? It's not like the Organization, you know, totally didn't... I dunno... Use him, harass him, and, gee, TRY TO KILL HIM. It's also not like he wasn't defending himself and his friends.Ugh, tell me about it. I'm personally tired of all those "THE ORG WEREN'T EVIL OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG ( ... )

Reply

higenshi February 7 2010, 20:45:58 UTC
As I said numerous times: there should be a Sora snuggle party somewhere.

But yeah, Sora's more of the "there are very many subtle things about me" thing. But that's so that you, as the player, can hopefully imprint some of yourself on him. You'll pick up on things you're familiar with, which, unfortunately, it seems most people are so extremely shallow they don't pick up on too much of the subtleties of Sora's attitude (facial expressions, word choice, etc). He is NOT a spoon-fed character. He is, perhaps, the most developed and changed drastically over the games. Which I like.

Reply

divineduckling February 7 2010, 20:51:22 UTC
But yeah, Sora's more of the "there are very many subtle things about me" thing. But that's so that you, as the player, can hopefully imprint some of yourself on him.

I wonder what it means if I've a tendency to write tons and tons of angst for him in which he's more messed up than most people write him as xD; being a SoRiku fan it's also easy to go the extra mile with obsession issues and abandonment anxiety o,o
And don't get me started on SoNami and how it reflects his relations with Kairi. Yeesh.

You'll pick up on things you're familiar with, which, unfortunately, it seems most people are so extremely shallow they don't pick up on too much of the subtleties of Sora's attitude (facial expressions, word choice, etc).

I love how he's subtle. But it's not so that he's completely unreadable. Like in KH2 - he'll keep trying to keep everyone cheered up before slumping his shoulders and sighing in distress, only to pull out his Keyblade and smack the nearest thing that's made of Darkness and has antenas.

He is NOT a spoon-fed ( ... )

Reply

higenshi February 7 2010, 21:07:48 UTC
Pfft. I ship him with anyone and everyone, because his personality can FIT with anyone and everyone. xD I've shipped him with Axel, Riku, Kairi, Namine, Reno, Demyx... The list just goes on and on. XD Sadly, though, I'm rarely ever in the mood to write fluffy things, so Sora tends to... ...Not be a happy character, and rarely does he truly get a happy ending, it seems.

And while he's not completely unreadable, people really don't seem to like to go beyond what's literally given to you which can make Sora seem... Flat and shallow and just... NOT Sora.

Reply


ceriene February 8 2010, 13:41:26 UTC
Lol, okay. idk how I feel about a comment that I made and the thread that spawned getting turned into a rant, but I can work with that.

I find most Sora haters hate him because he killed off the Organization. Yet, they seem to love Riku and Axel, despite their role in killing off some of the Organization. All their arguments center around Demyx's cry of "Oh we do too have hearts." which, knowing how two-faced, or sneaky Demyx can be in Days, could be a ploy. Even if Demyx was being genuine, it's pretty apparent that the Organization doesn't hesitate to hurt Sora and his friends, even while he's helping them gather hearts.

They could've let him gather hearts in peace and still achieve their goal. But no, they turn up randomly, harass him, tease him, and hurt his friends, which is a huge no-no with Sora. All he did was retaliate, in order to defend himself, his friends and what he believes is right ( ... )

Reply

divineduckling February 8 2010, 16:59:13 UTC
I find most Sora haters hate him because he killed off the Organization. Yet, they seem to love Riku and Axel, despite their role in killing off some of the Organization. All their arguments center around Demyx's cry of "Oh we do too have hearts." which, knowing how two-faced, or sneaky Demyx can be in Days, could be a ploy. Even if Demyx was being genuine, it's pretty apparent that the Organization doesn't hesitate to hurt Sora and his friends, even while he's helping them gather hearts.

No need to go as far as Days goes, the FM+ shows Demyx was possibly the most out of the Organization to want out for blood. He was ecstatic to go after the "traitor" in one of the Org's meetings, which adds up to his 'traitor' comment in Hollow Bastion.

The other Sora haters hate him, because he 'keeps Riku from Kairi', which is just as silly as Riku keeping Sora from Kairi, or Kairi keeping Sora and Riku from each other. I really wish people would get over that hate, and just accept that, whether or not you ship one with another, the three of them ( ... )

Reply

divineduckling February 8 2010, 16:59:27 UTC
He's not on the brink of insanity, like the way you paint him in this picture. He's not about to break down from all the crap that's happened to him. He's not one step away from being emo and slitting his wrists.

Someone needs to replay KH2's Hollow Bastion again. That's EXACTLY the mind-set Sora had there with all the self blame.
Goofy: You're the Key that connects everything!
Sora: ...so it's my fault.
You want to tell me that realizing everyone he ever cared for was suffering because of him is an adventure to him?
Seriously?

Sora is an optimistic person, through and through, he finds strength in his friends and happiness so long as he's with them, no matter what kind of changes he endures.

"The Darkness got to me too."
He is only optimistic if the friends he's with are. Look at when HPO told him Kairi was kidnapped - he couldn't pull through and encourage them like he should've had he truly been optimistic. Just like you said, he finds strength in his friends and happiness in the friendship - but it's to the point he relies on ( ... )

Reply


Leave a comment

Up