(larp) Lores

[keyboardninja]

How does one acquire lores higher than, say, x2 or x3 for a sect or clan they are not a part of

Comments

[ummacnai]

First off (I say for the 1000th time) which scale are we using? Flaws 5th level lore is Ph.D., or Epics 5th level lore is "You're the Methuselah"?

If we're using Epics, I don't think you should get 5 in your OWN lores. And 4 requires a couple of years in backgrounds in study. Nothing available above 3 for someone else's lores, period.

Not quite what you asked, but one of the considerations to consider.

[perpetuallysad]

I tend to agree with this as a place to start. Talking about limitations without a meaning isn't worthwhile. Nobody has a meaning for it, so it's never worthwhile.

I say anybody can have anything because, ultimately, all each of those dots are is one of them you can expend for a bit of information. On that linear scale, there's nothing special about five.

[keyboardninja]

Abilities are equated to college level degrees. History x5 is a PhD in History.

I've always seen lores as: 1 - neonate, 2 - ancilla, 3 - old ancilla/young elder, 4 - elder, 5 - methuselah

However, this doesn't work in OWbN because a character that's been in play for 8 years looks like a Methuselah sheet, and even then, these lores only apply to "in-caste" lores. A Cam Ventrue Methuselah might have Cam and Ventrue lores at 5, but it doesn't mean they can have Sabbat or Anarch lores at x5.

So, my question is kind of indpenedent of this - for an out of clan/out of caste/out of group lore, what ways can you justify having it over x2, or maybe x3 in a stretch, without direct teaching by a member of that group?

[fallenalbatross]

Does Astral and Telepathy count as direct teaching?

[famularo]

This is why NVA and DC house rule that you can't have any out-of-sect, out-of-clan lores any higher than level 3.

[capnstinkypants]

yeah I know what you are saying. I've played Sean forever and have 4 brujah lore, which is my highest or tied for highest. I did years of in game stuff to get that high and I run into all these characters that started playing a few years ago rocking five brujah lore.

I'm glad you've got the lockdown on that shit going now. I wish other coords would do the same

[evilizasevildoz]

Fuck your ST

I kid I kid (not really)

out of clan mentors?

[keyboardninja]

Without going into how much I hate the way Mentors are used, that's valid for clan lores, but not sect/species lores (sabbat, lupine, etc).

[evilizasevildoz]

i sort of think that depends on the mentor. if you have an NPC mentor with a written NPC sheet (for instance a gangrel with lupine lore) who is to say that without some extensive roleplaying, the mentor could not pass on that knowledge?

Keep in mind here I am not a lore whore, so this is all just conjecture

[keyboardninja]

You're not really getting my point. My topic is learning higher level out of sect/out of genre lores. If you have a Mentor who has high level lores, how did they get them? What's the justification? Gangrel & Lupine tea parties?

[corwyn]

The obvious answer? Find someone else who has the Lore that is willing to teach it to you.

[keyboardninja]

But how did they get it?

[corwyn]

A myrid of ways. Exposure to the source topic, whether through hostile interactions, interogations, studying, brainwashed teachings, etc. Or it could have been through the "coterie" method of "i'll teach you X". There's dozen's of ways to gain knowledge about a topic, and with the OWBN Kindred being so much more connected technology-wise than our Cannon counter-parts, the flow of data increases by magnitudes. Heck, in "modern" OWBN, who needs the Nosferatu information network? It can be duplicated fairly easily by any clan. That's why people say that "no list is secure". Because no listserve IS secure. There's data flowing out from every list in the org. Heck, I know people who pick up clan lores & other such things just by going to gatherings and listening to what people are saying. Eventually, people are going to start understanding what's going on. For examples, please see the wide-spread knowledge on Tremere Thaum and what people know about various rituals, and the trust/faith that's put into that clan. They are the

[keyboardninja]

You're not getting around the main issue of my topic with any of those methods. In order for someone to teach you, they would have had to have direct interaction with the group in question (such as the sabbat or lupines) and been taught directly by them.

I understand that once the dike cracks, it's doomed to break and the water will flow freely, but that first crack has to happen. Your method simply takes advantage of the flood, but doesn't address what caused the dike to break.