I saw Million Dollar Baby yesterday (fantastic movie!) and cried like a little sprinkler system. My only comfort is that so did Clint Eastwood
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The BBC's teletext DVD reviews mentioned the Press Gang season 3 release - they called it the West Wing of teen shows. Tempted to buy it myself now, actually...
*giggle* I've never heard it called that before, but sure, why not? It's not about politics, but it's funny and intelligent and sometimes very dramatic.
I've got to say though, it's when I've been watching BtVS/Angel that I've had the most PG flashbacks, and not just because of the whole American Spike played by a Brit vs. British Spike played by an American thing. Sometimes I've wondered if Joss &co are actually familiar with the show, because some coincidences seem like in-jokes (like the moneymaker in the pink bunny suit).
And Dexter Fletcher is half-American. I checked, after getting into a long and involved argument over whether his accent was "authentic". Given my own hybrid accent, I'm surprised the person I was arguing with had the gall...
It's interesting to hear that.
When I was fourteen/fifteen and watching Press Gang for the first time, I thought he was American and had no thoughts to the authenticity of his accent. But now, fifteen or so years on, his accent sounds incredibly fake to me.
But then I'll be the first to admit I'm useless at accents, so I'll defer to your more experienced ear. ;-)
Having not seen Insurrection I don't know whether to note that down as crying or talking about emotions or both. Let me know which it is, and I'll change the entry.
Geordi, out of all the ST:TNG men was the most emotionally available and balanced,and seemed to give a lot of advice, emotioanl or not to Data all the time. I believe he cried more that just that once as well. I was kinda surprised that he was included under "Real Men" as he would be the first one on that cast I'm knock out of the category.
Well, for the purpose of this list, "Real Man" only means that they haven't cried or talked about emotions - so Gareth is a Real Man (because he's consistently joking) and Logan is not.
Some of them became Real Men just because I couldn't recall any specific proof against it. Geordi was one - while I remembered him giving advice to Data, I thought it was mostly of the "this is what a human would do in this situation" category. (I vividly remember when he told a dirty joke and Data analyzed it, deemed it funny, and gave a completely unnatural laugh.)
Good Omens: Neither Crowley nor Aziraphale cry that I can remember, but they both (especially Aziraphale) get very sentimental and emotional at several points, and Crowley has a full-on emotional crisis in the burning bookshop. They're pretty reluctant to discuss emotions, though, unless drunk or facing imminent death. Hastur gets extremely emotional after Ligur's demise (it's macho revenge-lust though, which may not count
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Which brings me to the topic: this idiotic "men don't cry or talk about emotions" argument that comes up when fic in general and slash in particular is discussed.
Yup. Because Real Men(tm) don`t cry, can barely dance, only listen to Manly music, only see Manly action movies and never talk about emotions unless this "talk" comes in the form of a punch.
And have no fashion sense - their queer friends have it for them. And can`t cook - their wives or girlfriends do it for them. Really, these Real Men need everything done for them, don`t they? Big babies. ;P
I wonder if I'll ever be able to find a specimen... I mean, my father really, really hates talking about emotions, but I've seen him cry, and he listens to classical music and cooks and does all of these other supposedly girly things...
Although, in the HP verse I'm inclined to put Sirius in the Real Man category. Gryffindors usually are. They have Big Shiny Sword as symbol, they all rock at Quiddtich (which is like, the most manly sport EVAR what with the manouvering of brooms ;)) and they always win over the queer Slytherins.
One day I'll write the "Masculinities in the HP verse: The snake and the sword" essay and conquer all. :)
And they repress their emotions. Harry, like the Manly Man he aspires to be, never cries and displays his emotions through outbursts of anger, like any Real Man is ought to do.
There`s usually a sense of disgust at male crying or otherwise some form of emotional release not related to violence in the Gryffindor-ish Potterverse - it`s a weakness. That`s what Slytherins (and honorary Slyth Peter Pettigrew) do.
Of course, women and girls (even role model Hermione and no nonsense McGonagall) are allowed to cry, scream and shriek all the time. That`s what we do after all. And men or boys that behave like this are thus effeminate thus bad/evil. Isn`t it brilliant?
There`s usually a sense of disgust at male crying or otherwise some form of emotional release not related to violence in the Gryffindor-ish Potterverse - it`s a weakness.
Yes, Harry struggles all through the books to never show emotions. Ron, when giving in to his emotions in GoF, was labelled HORRIBLE FRIEND and Draco is of course an upper-crust queer so we don't need to discuss his tendency to scream and be camp. Snape's scariest moments are all tied to his (shittily buried) emotions. He gets to be cool and all Secret Agent Man solely when he can restrain himself, but as soon as his fucked-up nature shows too clearly, we are meant to wince in horror. Fandom was in agreement after OotP: "omg Snape grow up and be a MAN!" Stoicism is the way, yo.
Although, in the HP verse I'm inclined to put Sirius in the Real Man category.
He's a rather macho man, no question about it, but since Real Men™ don't cry or talk about emotions, Sirius doesn't qualify - he's admitted to being scared and said all kinds of other incriminating things. *grin*
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I've got to say though, it's when I've been watching BtVS/Angel that I've had the most PG flashbacks, and not just because of the whole American Spike played by a Brit vs. British Spike played by an American thing. Sometimes I've wondered if Joss &co are actually familiar with the show, because some coincidences seem like in-jokes (like the moneymaker in the pink bunny suit).
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It's interesting to hear that.
When I was fourteen/fifteen and watching Press Gang for the first time, I thought he was American and had no thoughts to the authenticity of his accent. But now, fifteen or so years on, his accent sounds incredibly fake to me.
But then I'll be the first to admit I'm useless at accents, so I'll defer to your more experienced ear. ;-)
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Some of them became Real Men just because I couldn't recall any specific proof against it. Geordi was one - while I remembered him giving advice to Data, I thought it was mostly of the "this is what a human would do in this situation" category. (I vividly remember when he told a dirty joke and Data analyzed it, deemed it funny, and gave a completely unnatural laugh.)
But now that I have proof, I'll edit the list.
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Dude, Jesus cries. If that's not a manly role model I don't know what is. *grin*
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Yup. Because Real Men(tm) don`t cry, can barely dance, only listen to Manly music, only see Manly action movies and never talk about emotions unless this "talk" comes in the form of a punch.
And have no fashion sense - their queer friends have it for them. And can`t cook - their wives or girlfriends do it for them. Really, these Real Men need everything done for them, don`t they? Big babies. ;P
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Although, in the HP verse I'm inclined to put Sirius in the Real Man category. Gryffindors usually are. They have Big Shiny Sword as symbol, they all rock at Quiddtich (which is like, the most manly sport EVAR what with the manouvering of brooms ;)) and they always win over the queer Slytherins.
One day I'll write the "Masculinities in the HP verse: The snake and the sword" essay and conquer all. :)
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There`s usually a sense of disgust at male crying or otherwise some form of emotional release not related to violence in the Gryffindor-ish Potterverse - it`s a weakness. That`s what Slytherins (and honorary Slyth Peter Pettigrew) do.
Of course, women and girls (even role model Hermione and no nonsense McGonagall) are allowed to cry, scream and shriek all the time. That`s what we do after all. And men or boys that behave like this are thus effeminate thus bad/evil. Isn`t it brilliant?
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Yes, Harry struggles all through the books to never show emotions. Ron, when giving in to his emotions in GoF, was labelled HORRIBLE FRIEND and Draco is of course an upper-crust queer so we don't need to discuss his tendency to scream and be camp. Snape's scariest moments are all tied to his (shittily buried) emotions. He gets to be cool and all Secret Agent Man solely when he can restrain himself, but as soon as his fucked-up nature shows too clearly, we are meant to wince in horror. Fandom was in agreement after OotP: "omg Snape grow up and be a MAN!" Stoicism is the way, yo.
/random snark mode. :)
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He's a rather macho man, no question about it, but since Real Men™ don't cry or talk about emotions, Sirius doesn't qualify - he's admitted to being scared and said all kinds of other incriminating things. *grin*
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