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[kar3ning]

Ok. All you people whinging about Proposition 8, if I get this right, half the electorate in California are evil, retarded, hicks who should die in a fire, go back to Saudi Arabia, and just get the hell off my Livejournal WHHHRRRRRRRRGGGBL....

Stop. Just.. STOP IT.Think for a minute

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[the_angelus]

Okay, smart lady, where do we start? I'm hungry for a little bureaucratic mayhem.

[kar3ning]

Well, it's an amendment to the State Constitution, which I'm pretty sure would put it out of the hands of the justice system. Can't have a court declare it unconstitutional, because it's in the Constitution. Lame with a side of lame-sauce.

So.

1. How does one go about getting an initiative on the ballot?

2. Does anyone know a lawyer who can write up the legalese?

[clynne]

So, there's some discussion about the fact that it may qualify as a revision (2/3 vote) rather than an amendment (50%). Although it was already submitted as such to the SCOCA before the election, they might have just been not bothering until it was already voted in. So, step 1 is bringing it before the Supremes again (assuming step 0, win after absentee ballots are counted, fails):
http://pecunium.livejournal.com/359869.html

Then there are a number of challenges that can take it to SCOTUS.

As to your specific questions:
1. You collect a certain, fairly low, number of signatures.
2. Yes, I think the noon8 people, the HRC, and a number of other pro-gay groups are coordinating efforts in that direction as well as the assorted court battles.

[clynne]

Oh, the specific number of signatures varies every time the governor is elected. There's a pretty good handbook on the CA SOS's website.

[ojouchan]

FOR SERIOUS.

And while we're at it, be fucking thankful we pimp smacked Prop 4. Cause NO ONE should be endangering our young girls.

[kar3ning]

It'll be back. I've voted against it twice, voted against it this time around, and I'm sure I'll vote against it again.

[ojouchan]

Then I'll get the pimp hand ready.

[jimidork]

Well you just said that way fancier than I did. Show off. ;P

[legion_myers]

I was just having this discussion with my mom, actually. I was saying that I'm pissed enough that if someone decided to gloat about it in my presence that I'm not sure my normally cool head would prevail. I was talking about having to deal with that anger without becoming the type of person I am angry with.. without becoming an example of the same hate and prejudice I am proud to stand against. It ain't easy.. but that's overstating the obvious, I imagine. It is hard sometimes to remember that people cannot be strong-armed into believing something.

fear the Dark Side, padawan.

[kar3ning]

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

Re: fear the Dark Side, padawan.

[legion_myers]

Nice! I'm spreading the message and giving you credit!

[mycroftca]

Amen.

Take it to the Supreme Court.

Pass petitions to repeal it, effective at the next state ballot.

Start writing articles for publication online and in the newspapers.

Absolutely.

Well said.

[axo]

Yeah, but I can still do that and also wish a fiery doom for those who voted for 8. ;)

[mycroftca]

Hellfire and brimstone could still happen to any of us; why, even us tolerant folk, if you pay attention to whatever the religious right says.

[forestcats]

At least they believe in that fantasy ending! So may they inherit their vitriol.