Comments | kanzeon_2040: a pro-Brexit green criticizes immigration?

kanzeon_2040

a pro-Brexit green criticizes immigration?

Apr 27, 2022 05:31

Have many green voters had their wages undercut by mass migration?

Sigh ... wages are undercut by the labor market, by treating labor as a mere commodity rather than by treating every person on the planet as part of a communal whole, sharing equally in the produce. This draws mass migration from places with lower wages to places with higher wages ( Read more... )

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Part I matrixmann April 27 2022, 14:37:57 UTC

Hm, I think you take a too short-sighted view at this - but don't worry, most people do that, on both sides: What Brexit tried to do just is something that isn't done in just 5 years or so. It's rather 20 to 30, if not more.
It's like trying to erect a whole industrial branch in your country from scratch. You'd have to build structures - logistics, roads, hubs, transportation and all that.
All that can't be done in just a couple of years and be brought to last.

The Brexiteers were exactly promised that fairy tale. That throwing all immigrants out of the country and closing one's borders will solve all social problems, lead to increased home-grown production and to a rather export-focussed economy instead of importing so many goods and living on credit ( ... )

Part II matrixmann April 27 2022, 14:38:17 UTC

It's only the problem today that no politician gets to power anymore who would completely not serve in the interest of the big corporations, and even if there was, they'd cut them down quickly.
You have a class of faithful disciples of capitalism reigning the country - if they served something else, some other ideal or mindset of values, then the country and its economical structures would start to look differently.

Today, you're facing the difficulty of how to get a political elite that administrates the country that doesn't live totally up in the ass of the big corporations and the financial industry AND which could organize the supply with financial, material and energy resoures in order to keep leading the country in the course they want and have taken ( ... )

RE: Part II kanzeon_2040 April 28 2022, 11:32:11 UTC

I think capitalism starving the socialist bloc of goods and resources and stuff wouldn't have been such a big deal, except, for envy. I didn't live in the socialist bloc of course, but it seems one reason for its downfall was people envious of the consumer goods that the West got to have, and the travel, and the freedom of expression. It seems the socialist bloc residents thought they could get rid of the authoritarianism and see their living standards go up.

From what I understand, after the socialist bloc fell, 90% of the population saw their living standards go down instead, while the 10% who were able to enter the managerial class got to have consumer goods and travel. And, sure, everybody got more freedom of expression and could vote in multi-party elections, but you cannot eat your Facebook posts ( ... )

RE: Part II matrixmann April 28 2022, 12:35:58 UTC

"I think capitalism starving the socialist bloc of goods and resources and stuff wouldn't have been such a big deal, except, for envy. I didn't live in the socialist bloc of course, but it seems one reason for its downfall was people envious of the consumer goods that the West got to have, and the travel, and the freedom of expression. It seems the socialist bloc residents thought they could get rid of the authoritarianism and see their living standards go up."Definitely ( ... )