a pro-Brexit green criticizes immigration?

[kanzeon_2040]

Have many green voters had their wages undercut by mass migration?

Sigh ... wages are undercut by the labor market, by treating labor as a mere commodity rather than by treating every person on the planet as part of a communal whole, sharing equally in the produce. This draws mass migration from places with lower wages to places with higher wages

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Part I

[matrixmann]

Hm, I think you take a too short-sighted view at this - but don't worry, most people do that, on both sides: What Brexit tried to do just is something that isn't done in just 5 years or so. It's rather 20 to 30, if not more.
It's like trying to erect a whole industrial branch in your country from scratch. You'd have to build structures - logistics, roads, hubs, transportation and all that.
All that can't be done in just a couple of years and be brought to last.

The Brexiteers were exactly promised that fairy tale. That throwing all immigrants out of the country and closing one's borders will solve all social problems, lead to increased home-grown production and to a rather export-focussed economy instead of importing so many goods and living on credit.

It's not that easy if you look how the current structure came together, if you follow its development path and realize what actions have been undertaken and what they have caused in the short- as well as the long-term, and if you simply make a list of the current status where you'd be if you closed yourself down like this.
Judging from that point of view, it becomes obvious why Brexit couldn't work if made true like this: Decades of outsourcing industrial production and production of important goods (all for the cheap prices), decades of neglecting and abandonment of own production structures as well as cutting down all investments in public structures (most importantly: public education) that people make a personal, immaterial gain from - all that doesn't leave behind a national economy that could function on its own. There are more gaps and lacks than things that would work. It just is as simple as that.
You'd have to do a complete buildup to get this running again mostly autonomously - and this cannot be done in just a couple of years. As it's a question of installing and (re-)establishing structures that usually would have taken maybe half a century or more to develop naturally.

- This is something that's too difficult for gullible Brexiteers as well as gullible liberal opponents to understand.
One fraction thinks its idea alone will create a good-looking reality for them (how dreamy...), and the other is similarly stuck with thinking the idea itself is junk - while not thinking it through to the end that with the appropriate practice and planning, this actually isn't the problem. As the world once worked exactly like that - with lesser worldwide trade (or at least way more difficult possibilities to overcome distances and longer times to wait for wares).

Reducing nations to simply artificial lines on the map and all that emotional crap that serves as opium of the people like patriotism does the nations a bit wrong. - But well, what to expect from the modern point of view that lives like the current borders have always been as they are today...
If trying to at least a bit of successful fighting against global corporations doing whatever the fuck they want everything, only the nations which create law and ensure its execution on their grounds can help. - As single entities as well as in international associations.
'Cause - they're the ones who create law and make sure all stick to it. This becomes the base for how freely and relentlessly corporations can work.
Why do corporations see the need otherwise to corrupt politicians so much? It's because they could sabotage their business.