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[infiniteviking]

Not sure if anyone's ever remarked on this before (I've just been introduced to RD so forgive me if some of you caught these references back when they first appeared!), but this just dawned on me the other week (thank you again, slwatson, commanderteddog, and kalijean), and here it is for posterity: textual proof in Doctor Who that Steven Moffat's favorite Red Dwarf episode is

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[sl_walker]

Heeeeee! Well, and Ace is straight, while Captain Jack is pansexual.

It could well be a homage, though, yes. <3

[infiniteviking]

Yes -- seems in-character for canon!Rimmer, in any incarnation -- but I wonder if he would've been if they'd done the series in this decade. It's the total confidence that he's so awesome that everybody will obviously adore him if he notices them (regardless of whether he feels like adoring them back) that I feel is related. Would have to rewatch "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances" to make sure; Jack may have had less internal arrogance when the Moff introduced him than what RTD later built into his character arc.

(Also, that scene from your icon. *DIES* THEIR EXPRESSIONS... AHAHAHA.)

[sl_walker]

I LOVE that scene.

And that's very true -- they do both have the same attitude, even if not the same fancies. Though, I really hate Ace and am a little more apathetic towards Captain Jack. But yes, I can see what you mean.

[infiniteviking]

Jack does have more depth, even in The Empty Child -- he's a con man and knows a big chunk of his confidence (as Moffat started him out, anyway) is a facade created to manipulate people and defend himself with, and that's a level of self-awareness way beyond Ace's ken. I see from screencaps, though, that Ace returns later on -- has he learnt any lessons from his hopeless universal quest? ;P

[commanderteddog]

While not directly canon, the new DW RPG mentions on Catkind: "While they may be a race in their own right, (possibly evolving from domestic cats on some other planet or even a deep space mining ship) it is more likely they are actually a genetically engineered species based on a mixture of human and feline genes."

Hello, potential for crossovers.

(I NEED RED DWARF ICONS...)

[infiniteviking]

Like the potential for crossovers wasn't there already... but yeah, that's brilliant. ^______^

(ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA. XD)

[shadowturquoise]

Very good points about the Mauve Alert and Wibbley-Wobbley, but the Belgium reference in both Doctor Who and Red Dwarf are nods to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[infiniteviking]

Oh? Awesome! It's been way too long since I read the HHG; will have to remedy that posthaste. Thanks for the heads-up!

Which book of the series has Belgium in it?

[shadowturquoise]

Oh its been at least 15 years since I last read them too. I can't remember which book it's in, but Belgium is the rudest cuss word in the universe and all the planets know it except Earth, which uses it as a place name to the amusement of the rest of the galaxy.

[infiniteviking]

Hahaha! Thanks; I'd completely forgotten that! (So had the Doctor, apparently, from the way he bandied it about in Time Crash.~) It was probably in several books, then, as a running gag.

..The bit I always remember from the series is when Ford and Arthur turn into a penguin and a sofa. "Stop that!" Ah, good times. :)