I really, really need to watch Alice again as my snarky ~rage~ at it is...totally disproportionate to what actually happened on screen. I think.
Like you I'm not as much of a AiW fan as I am a WoO fan, but I think I was annoyed by the lack of relation to the original, such as it was? It was like they'd taken all the story elements and tossed them in a blender, ending up with this incoherent mish-mash with a romance tacked on. At least with TM we got an homage, this was just butchery. And then there's the whole "yes, we know we're fiction, blah blah" thing is...right.
Plus: Duchess plying Jack with Honesty got him to tell the truth, but the freakin' Queen of Hearts drinks straight Innocence and NOTHING HAPPENS wtf? So, so much could have been done with the emotion-elixirs and it all just kinda...blah. I wanna mess with it. Just not with these characters. Because I dislike them.
As for your Cain and Glitch musings, I'm just going to sit here smiling quietly to myself.
*facepalm* I completely forgot about those elixirs! Yeah, they could have done and more with that, guess that's why I forgot about them.
Just not with these characters. Because I dislike them.
And I think that's part of my problem - the characters are not endearing. I don't know if it's because of writing or acting or both, but I just don't care about them as much as I do the Tin Man characters.
As for your Cain and Glitch musings, I'm just going to sit here smiling quietly to myself.
*snort* Hey, it only took me two years to actually 'watch' Alan and Neal play it all out. Whether they meant to or not, they did. ;)
And that's just symptomatic of the shoddy world building too. Like amedia's post said with TM we were IN Oz, or in AN Oz, with people and culture and Stuff. Wonderland was an empty city, empty forests, a casino filled with empty shells and those pandering to the empty shells. The elixirs ran the economy but HOW? Bah. I am never going to stop being cranky about this, until I rewatch with a bottle fo wine and a mind to parody it.
And it's okay, you were busy fighting the good fight for the canon OTP of woe, ain't nothing wrong with that :D
Cause you know how much Daniel annoyed Jack and then they soon became loversbest buddies and Teal'c is in the back making faces and giving short answers.
I came to this realization this morning as I was typing this up, two years AFTER the mini-series aired. *giggles*
I like them about the same. But with Alice I felt there was more closure at the end and I don't feel the need to join any fandoms. I do have some questions but what may have happened to certain characters (Charlie!) but I don't necessarily need fic. TM didn't give me much closure at all and I think that's why I jumped right into fandom and immediately began reading fic... I needed to know what happened to everyone.
The scene you mentioned makes me think of Jack and Sam and how he'd always cut her off and tell her to get to the point. But I get what you mean with the whole Jack and Daniel/Cain and Glitch thing... Even Chris Judge called them on it.
I think with Alice, there weren't as many stories going on, so it was easier to have closure. Tin Man's main story was about DG, her quest and stopping the Sorceress. The other stories had some sort of closure, but left room to continue. I just have to remember that the writers were told to end it that way because Skiffy may have wanted a series. Of course, that didn't happen. The way it ended was poorly done.
There's that 'I hate you' to 'I tolerate you' to 'I love you, man but you're still not getting my Bud' going on with those two.
Michael and RDA really played it up too. It boils down to chemistry.
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Like you I'm not as much of a AiW fan as I am a WoO fan, but I think I was annoyed by the lack of relation to the original, such as it was? It was like they'd taken all the story elements and tossed them in a blender, ending up with this incoherent mish-mash with a romance tacked on. At least with TM we got an homage, this was just butchery. And then there's the whole "yes, we know we're fiction, blah blah" thing is...right.
Plus: Duchess plying Jack with Honesty got him to tell the truth, but the freakin' Queen of Hearts drinks straight Innocence and NOTHING HAPPENS wtf? So, so much could have been done with the emotion-elixirs and it all just kinda...blah. I wanna mess with it. Just not with these characters. Because I dislike them.
As for your Cain and Glitch musings, I'm just going to sit here smiling quietly to myself.
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Just not with these characters. Because I dislike them.
And I think that's part of my problem - the characters are not endearing. I don't know if it's because of writing or acting or both, but I just don't care about them as much as I do the Tin Man characters.
As for your Cain and Glitch musings, I'm just going to sit here smiling quietly to myself.
*snort* Hey, it only took me two years to actually 'watch' Alan and Neal play it all out. Whether they meant to or not, they did. ;)
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And it's okay, you were busy fighting the good fight for the canon OTP of woe, ain't nothing wrong with that :D
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I'm still fighting that good fight. :D
Canon OTP of woe - that is sooo true.
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THIS So THIS. And Raw is Teal'c
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I came to this realization this morning as I was typing this up, two years AFTER the mini-series aired. *giggles*
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The scene you mentioned makes me think of Jack and Sam and how he'd always cut her off and tell her to get to the point. But I get what you mean with the whole Jack and Daniel/Cain and Glitch thing... Even Chris Judge called them on it.
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There's that 'I hate you' to 'I tolerate you' to 'I love you, man but you're still not getting my Bud' going on with those two.
Michael and RDA really played it up too. It boils down to chemistry.
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HE WAS THE ONLY CHARACTER I LIKED!!!!!!!
*loves on you for saying this*
eta - you did she the macros, y/y?
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*runs off to look*
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