Last year I deleted someone from my messenger because she wittered on about a fic she was co-authoring about a seven year old being raped and that the kid deserved it. She protested that I was being unreasonable when I told her how I thought the whole thing was sick and that she was too. She said, 'it is not real life, can't you tell the difference?'. My worry is that even though stuff is not real life, the writing and reading of it, causes numbing of effect so that eventually it is seen as more acceptable in real life because the boundaries of acceptability have become blurred.
Adults can get up to what they like between themselves, I have no problem with that. A child can never give informed consent and it is always rape if there is sex involved whether it is physical or emotional; therefore in my eyes it is totally unacceptable.
Sorry about the rant but I feel strongly about this subject and it is good to see that there are others who think that free speech must not be abused.
My worry is that even though stuff is not real life, the writing and reading of it, causes numbing of effect so that eventually it is seen as more acceptable in real life because the boundaries of acceptability have become blurred.
Exactly. There are some lines that must not be crossed, and as far as I am concerned, those stories cross one of those lines. And the way such "fandom laws" are implemented and people dogpiled on if they don't stick to those unwritten laws is an unpleasant thing to watch. As long as you support something, you're free to speak, but all hell breaks loose if you disagree. Everything must be accepted, everything tolerated. And that's something I simply can't and don't want to do.
Then those people are not practising free speech because part of free speech is the freedom and right to disagree. Both you and I know that, but some are too stupid or weak to see that - or it suits their purpose not to.
Pedophiles are not only those who actually do something. Looking at pictures or movies is pedophilia too and will get one into jail here. And I can't see such a big difference between a photo and painting a picture with words.
That has nothing to do with being a tight-arsed old gnat or censorship it's just plainly wrong.
I do see a big difference as there is no real child harmed in a written story or a drawing. But there's one common denominator: "entertainment". The fact that we even have to discuss nowadays whether that is good or bad answers all my questions
There was a US Supreme Court decision this week that got me thinking about fandom. The court ruled that even computer generated examples of child pornography that aren't actual images are prosecutable under child pornography laws. The law in question was enacted and then amended by Congress a couple years ago against those who advertise or promote sales or simply make available child porn even if what they use to promote it is not real photos of child porn. I wondered if this has any implications for fanfic or for fanart (HP and Legolas/Thranduil examples coming to mind) since it's computer generated. Would that now be prosecutable under this ruling as computer generated promotion of child porn? I don't know that it is, but I'd be interested to find out. The Court ruled that the law is fair enough as amended by Congress to protect legitimate artistic expression, so that things like "Romeo and Juliet" won't be labeled porn
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The court ruled that even computer generated examples of child pornography that aren't actual images are prosecutable under child pornography laws.
I only read about that "in passing", but if it's the way you put it there, then I'm fine with it. It's like the law deals with it here. If I find the time, I have to read up on it.
All I have to do is look at all the "so hot" comments this stuff gets. That's just irresponsible and shows an astounding lack of judgment and maturity.It's a dangerous lack of judgement and maturity. It's boggling to see that there even have to be discussions about this - fantasising about child/adult is wrong. Period. If that's what gets you off, you need help. There is no point for anybody arguing with me about it. Why there's this constant pressure to be all-accepting, I don't know. There's no law that forces me to speak positive about such stories, and there's no law that forces me to keep quiet about them. Fandom netiquette? Who wrote it and who is the fandom police
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Adults can get up to what they like between themselves, I have no problem with that. A child can never give informed consent and it is always rape if there is sex involved whether it is physical or emotional; therefore in my eyes it is totally unacceptable.
Sorry about the rant but I feel strongly about this subject and it is good to see that there are others who think that free speech must not be abused.
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Exactly. There are some lines that must not be crossed, and as far as I am concerned, those stories cross one of those lines. And the way such "fandom laws" are implemented and people dogpiled on if they don't stick to those unwritten laws is an unpleasant thing to watch. As long as you support something, you're free to speak, but all hell breaks loose if you disagree. Everything must be accepted, everything tolerated. And that's something I simply can't and don't want to do.
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"all hell breaks loose if you disagree"
Then those people are not practising free speech because part of free speech is the freedom and right to disagree. Both you and I know that, but some are too stupid or weak to see that - or it suits their purpose not to.
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That has nothing to do with being a tight-arsed old gnat or censorship it's just plainly wrong.
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I only read about that "in passing", but if it's the way you put it there, then I'm fine with it. It's like the law deals with it here. If I find the time, I have to read up on it.
All I have to do is look at all the "so hot" comments this stuff gets. That's just irresponsible and shows an astounding lack of judgment and maturity.It's a dangerous lack of judgement and maturity. It's boggling to see that there even have to be discussions about this - fantasising about child/adult is wrong. Period. If that's what gets you off, you need help. There is no point for anybody arguing with me about it. Why there's this constant pressure to be all-accepting, I don't know. There's no law that forces me to speak positive about such stories, and there's no law that forces me to keep quiet about them. Fandom netiquette? Who wrote it and who is the fandom police ( ... )
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