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Mar 17, 2008 12:27

How committed are people to the LJ codebase ( Read more... )

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elionwyr March 17 2008, 18:53:40 UTC
As a potential user, my interest is in how easy is the system to use. I think a program has to be pretty much plug-and-play with the ability to be more if one desires customization.

That said, I'm not wed to the idea of LJ code; I like it because it's easy to work with, user-wise.

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hypnagogie March 17 2008, 18:56:03 UTC
What she said.

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marnanel March 17 2008, 19:15:33 UTC
What she said.

(If we're going to consider non-LJ solutions, Wordpress MU might also be good. It works beautifully for http://blogs.gnome.org.)

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pezzonovante March 17 2008, 19:22:41 UTC
I'm more comfortable with Python than Perl, so Django would be better for me as a potential coder on this.

Do you think it would be better to write this all from scratch or try something like rewriting the LJ code and then building off of that?

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ysabel March 17 2008, 20:05:15 UTC
I'd rather learn from LJ's structure and experience and design and so forth. The code is the least useful part of any of that. (As is generally the case with software projects.)

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australian_joe March 17 2008, 19:54:59 UTC
I understand the lure of getting stuck into the technology, but there are so many unanswered questions that talking tech now is like getting pregnant and then fussing over making a restaurant booking for the child's 21st birthday.

Heck, there are too many un*asked* questions at this point.

But sure, it's fun to geek out. I do it too.

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ysabel March 17 2008, 20:03:53 UTC
Honestly, this originally had nothing to do with elsejournal. I've been doing it for a while for other reasons, and 'Song mentioned elsejournal to me.

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australian_joe March 17 2008, 20:07:07 UTC
Mm, as independent geeking, it's fascinating, and I'd love database wrangling it with you. 8-)

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shadesong March 17 2008, 22:50:42 UTC
Heck, there are too many un*asked* questions at this point.

Ask questions!

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novalis March 17 2008, 20:14:58 UTC
I'm tentatively in favor of keeping with the LJ codebase, which may come as a surprise to those who know me.

It's not that I don't think that we could write something that's as good or better than LJ. And it's not that I think Django is a bad technology -- I haven't tried it, but I love Pylons, which is very similar.

My worry is more social: reimplementing would lead to vast arguments about what should and should not be changed. The risk of a community collapse is vastly increased when the scope for new design is higher. And if we say that we're simply going to clone LJ wholesale, then there is no point in writing new code.

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ysabel March 17 2008, 20:17:56 UTC
I am not cloning LJ wholesale, for what it's worth.

It's really six of one, half a dozen of the other whether or not elsejournal chooses to use this codebase; I'm developing it independently of this or any other effort, but if there's interest, I'm certainly willing to take input.

Not that any of that really changes your argument, but just for context...

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ironed_orchid March 17 2008, 21:56:10 UTC
I'd be far more interested in joining if I knew I could export my LJ to the new site. I know this can be done with the lj clones.

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arielstarshadow March 19 2008, 12:43:01 UTC
Not to mention, the LJ code, look and features are what people are comfortable with, which means keeping it might make people more likely to make the move.

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siderea March 18 2008, 00:59:45 UTC
Account: represents a billing entity which pays (or doesn't) for service. Has at least one Identity, may have more than one.OK, I've gone and contemplated for a while, and I've come to the conclusion that having multiple identities per journal is a really bad idea, and I'd like to encourage you to stick with LJ's model of "If you want another identity, get another account/journal from another email account ( ... )

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novalis March 18 2008, 01:25:41 UTC
For most people, the convenience of only having to enter a credit card number once far outweighs the security. For those who are more worried about security, tho, multiple accounts should be an option, and the security benefits should be well-documented.

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siderea March 18 2008, 01:45:14 UTC
For most people, the convenience of only having to enter a credit card number once far outweighs the security.

Well, yes. That's my point. :) That presented with that "convenience", most people won't worry about security and will opt for convenience, without realizing the risk they're running. Which is why I don't think it's prudent to give it to them.

All of which reminds me of the ugly issue of liability and legal structure. So, is Elsejournal gonna incorporate or what?

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