I'll read the whole of this and leave a proper comment later, just wanted to make a placeholder comment for the sake of gushing over Missy forever. ♥♥♥
I read your post btw and meant to answer but time... *throws up hands*
I had thought that the Cloister Bell when the first key hit the lava was the Doctor controlling the illusion and trying to impress on Clara the seriousness of the situation, but I had forgotten the key glowing after the TARDIS “regenerated” in Eleventh Hour, so could well be more, too. I could be wrong, but there might be more to it... It'd fit very well with setting something up without people being aware that that's what was happening.
And even though throwing the keys away is a dream, that might be quite enough for the TARDIS to dislike Clara. I don't think that's it. For one, it's not mentioned (no 'It's no wonder the TARDIS never liked you'), and second there's no evidence that the TARDIS is 'in' on the dream. It COULD fit if we never get another explanation, but I'm hoping there's more to it.
And for the TARDIS visual interface in Hide, showing up as Clara as a person she esteemed, to say “Of several billion such
( ... )
The Ponds, any of them, generally adopted an ‘unstoppable force/immovable object’ strategy. (And the Doctor stopped.)
DO I DARE ASK YOU TO ELABORATE ON THE PARENTHETICAL?
The Doctor knows all about betraying those he loves, and the fact that he is honest enough to admit this is making me very happy indeed.
LOVE IS WHATEVER YOU CAN STILL BETRAY. (Also, way to punch someone in the neck with those Journey’s End/Girl Who Waited caps.)
If Danny were female, I am sure everyone would talk about how he’d been ‘fridged’ - and in a sense he has been.
But is it really “fridging” if the character is still sentient and part of the story (regardless of not being technically alive)?
But if you want people to get rid of emotions and feelings, what better tool?
I was genuinely thinking that if I were in that situation I would probably press delete. A harrowing thought.
Now, having just re-watched Deep Breath, it is easy to see how that sets up the theme - the droid using people as spare parts, people being kept in the larder ‘alive’And come
( ... )
DO I DARE ASK YOU TO ELABORATE ON THE PARENTHETICAL? The most obvious example is River in TWoRS. She quite simply goes 'You. Shallnot. Pass.' She becomes an unmovable object and the Doctor has to cede her the game (see chess metaphors etc). The fact that the universe is falling to bits is an unfortunate consequence, but one she uses to her advantage. A more direct parallel is Amy in Amy's Choice (as River's dilemma is being forced to do something she doesn't want to do), but Amy also loses the man she loves. And takes immediate action, with which the Doctor doesn't argue - well not much (DOCTOR: Be very sure. This could be the real world./AMY: It can't be. Rory isn't here. I didn't know. I didn't, I didn't, I honestly didn't, till right now. I just want him./DOCTOR: Okay. Okay.) The circumstances are different in Dark Water, but Clara manipulates her way into having leverage. Pretends everything is fine, whilst putting her plan into action - which is very much like how the Doctor operates.
LOVE IS WHATEVER YOU CAN STILL BETRAY. Very
( ... )
Comments 42
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
(And I just realised that I meant to ask if I was OK to quote you, although I presume you're fine with it?)
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Hurrah for replies!
I read your post btw and meant to answer but time... *throws up hands*
I had thought that the Cloister Bell when the first key hit the lava was the Doctor controlling the illusion and trying to impress on Clara the seriousness of the situation, but I had forgotten the key glowing after the TARDIS “regenerated” in Eleventh Hour, so could well be more, too.
I could be wrong, but there might be more to it... It'd fit very well with setting something up without people being aware that that's what was happening.
And even though throwing the keys away is a dream, that might be quite enough for the TARDIS to dislike Clara.
I don't think that's it. For one, it's not mentioned (no 'It's no wonder the TARDIS never liked you'), and second there's no evidence that the TARDIS is 'in' on the dream. It COULD fit if we never get another explanation, but I'm hoping there's more to it.
And for the TARDIS visual interface in Hide, showing up as Clara as a person she esteemed, to say “Of several billion such ( ... )
Reply
DO I DARE ASK YOU TO ELABORATE ON THE PARENTHETICAL?
The Doctor knows all about betraying those he loves, and the fact that he is honest enough to admit this is making me very happy indeed.
LOVE IS WHATEVER YOU CAN STILL BETRAY. (Also, way to punch someone in the neck with those Journey’s End/Girl Who Waited caps.)
If Danny were female, I am sure everyone would talk about how he’d been ‘fridged’ - and in a sense he has been.
But is it really “fridging” if the character is still sentient and part of the story (regardless of not being technically alive)?
But if you want people to get rid of emotions and feelings, what better tool?
I was genuinely thinking that if I were in that situation I would probably press delete. A harrowing thought.
Now, having just re-watched Deep Breath, it is easy to see how that sets up the theme - the droid using people as spare parts, people being kept in the larder ‘alive’And come ( ... )
Reply
The most obvious example is River in TWoRS. She quite simply goes 'You. Shallnot. Pass.' She becomes an unmovable object and the Doctor has to cede her the game (see chess metaphors etc). The fact that the universe is falling to bits is an unfortunate consequence, but one she uses to her advantage. A more direct parallel is Amy in Amy's Choice (as River's dilemma is being forced to do something she doesn't want to do), but Amy also loses the man she loves. And takes immediate action, with which the Doctor doesn't argue - well not much (DOCTOR: Be very sure. This could be the real world./AMY: It can't be. Rory isn't here. I didn't know. I didn't, I didn't, I honestly didn't, till right now. I just want him./DOCTOR: Okay. Okay.) The circumstances are different in Dark Water, but Clara manipulates her way into having leverage. Pretends everything is fine, whilst putting her plan into action - which is very much like how the Doctor operates.
LOVE IS WHATEVER YOU CAN STILL BETRAY. Very ( ... )
Reply
Reply
Reply
Leave a comment