And that's sad because these people obviously are missing the message Cesar is trying to convey. He stresses in every episode, including his dvd and his book, how important it is to work with your dog EVERY day and to keep a consistent routine, training EVERY day.
Its really sad how many people misinterpret the great information he provides.
I'm reading his book right now and he explains how hard it is on the show to get across the full effect of how important consistency and repition are. He explains how even though it may seem that he "cures" the dogs within 5 minutes, that really the dogs only obey him because he gives no doubts as to whether or not he is a leader, he has practiced calm-assertive energy for over 20 years and has perfected his methods, he has the timing perfect. The owners, on the other hand, are just starting to learn these things and it takes a while to get good at at least "pretending" to be calm-assertive.
I think this is a very important part that he is missing from his shows. If he said this I wouldn't dislike his show so much. I would still disagree with his techniques, but at least he would be more clear on the amount of work the owners need to put into this issue.
I don't see him yanking the crap out of any dog and I've watched almost the entire 2 seasons of his show along with his dvd and his bookI haven't seen his DVD, but on his tv
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I think this is a very important part that he is missing from his shows. If he said this I wouldn't dislike his show so much. I would still disagree with his techniques, but at least he would be more clear on the amount of work the owners need to put into this issue.You also have to realize that its not really HIS show, its run by corporations and companies and men in business suits that are probably saying "oh all that shit is boring, just get to the dog fixing"...you know? His book is 100% his to do whatever he wants with and say whatever he wants in...so I think that's a huge difference. That's why I wish everyone, including the idiots who think they can alpharoll their 95lb rott, would pick up the book and read it. Its pretty much all of the good stuff that everyone can agree "hey, this is good advice, people should hear this" and so far that I've read, none of the bad stuff that people are all up in arms about
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You also have to realize that its not really HIS show, its run by corporations and companies and men in business suits that are probably saying "oh all that shit is boring, just get to the dog fixing"...you know?
You know, you are correct. He's not the one editting it, or marketing it. Very true. But, being the star if he made a fuss, especially now that he's so well known, he could get them to change it for the better.
I think they should stop whining about it online where no one cares and start doing something about it and writing him letters, etcI do think that he must have listened to some of the critism, because this season does have some changes. He does a short recap and follow up at the end, which I still feel is not detailed enough. But it's better than last season. And he's trying to be more warm and fuzzy. He sits there and holds a smaller dog or cuddles a dog and just last night the episode I watche he said, "See! I do give affection." So I think he was getting flack for it and is trying to change a little bit
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Also...I just wanted to add that I think its wrong for Cesar to be condemned for what a few stupid people are doing. They're obviously not following his rules if they are doing alpha rolls and such, and they're also not understanding any of his ideas if they're looking for a quick fix. Anyone can pick up any book or watch any tv show and if they are only hearing or seeing what they want to hear or see, then that shouldn't be held against the makers of the shows or writers of the books...and if these idiots would take the time to turn off the tv and read even the first 70 pages of his book, then they'd realize that what they're doing is wrong. He actually had the time and space to explain everything that people get all pissed off for about his show. In fact, you should read it too. Know about your enemies, right? ;)
In fact, you should read it too. Know about your enemies, right? ;)
I completely agree. And I do plan on reading it. I won't buy it, since I do not want to support him financially. But my friend interviewed him and was given a free copy from his press people. So she said I could borrow it.
I fully believe that you should have a solid understand of all the training ideas out there, ven if you do not use them. How would you know you don't like them if you don't know anything about them? I think it's all part of the continuing education all trainers should get.
I just wanted to add that I think its wrong for Cesar to be condemned for what a few stupid people are doing. First I blam the people. Since no one forced them to do what they saw. But, I feel that if he's going to have a show like his he needs to make it more clear that this isn't a quick fix. He doesn't do that. I've watched everything from last season and most from this season. I still have some episodes on Tivo I need to get to. On his tv show he does not
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I'm glad that at least you're open minded about it and you're willing to hear him out.
As for the last part about the alpha rolls, I said if people do them, they're not following his rules. His rules are never to use any phsyical submission on any dog ever (yes, kind of a do what I say, not what I do kind of thing, but its better than saying "go for it!" y'know?) He has never said "This is how you do a roll with your dog and you should do this whenever ____ happens"...in fact, like I've said many times, he stresses that people watching his show should not attempt to do them.
The touch bite is something different and yes, he does recommend doing that to some dogs...but to me that's simply breaking the dog's attention. I do that to my one dog when he starts obsessively licking on his paws, because sometimes speech or even clapping/snapping doesn't get their attention away from something they're obsessively locked onto. Touch does. That is something I don't see anything wrong with.
I've seen the opposite. I've seen him tell owners they should roll the dog over. Like the one with the dog who was trying to eat squirrels. Cesar brought out his daughter's bunny (or was it a Guinea pig?). He forced the dog to lay down and roll over on his side near the cage. Then after a bit, he had the lady try it.
Touch does. That is something I don't see anything wrong with.
The problem I see with this is that it could easily get the owner bit. Dogs can redirect their aggression. If they are lunging and freaking out at another dog and you touch them firmly some dogs will turn around and bite you. It doesn't eman they are evil, dangerous dogs. They probably didn't even realize they were biting you. But in the moment of being worked up they redirected it to the closest thing touching/bothering them.
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Its really sad how many people misinterpret the great information he provides.
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I think this is a very important part that he is missing from his shows. If he said this I wouldn't dislike his show so much. I would still disagree with his techniques, but at least he would be more clear on the amount of work the owners need to put into this issue.
I don't see him yanking the crap out of any dog and I've watched almost the entire 2 seasons of his show along with his dvd and his bookI haven't seen his DVD, but on his tv ( ... )
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You know, you are correct. He's not the one editting it, or marketing it. Very true. But, being the star if he made a fuss, especially now that he's so well known, he could get them to change it for the better.
I think they should stop whining about it online where no one cares and start doing something about it and writing him letters, etcI do think that he must have listened to some of the critism, because this season does have some changes. He does a short recap and follow up at the end, which I still feel is not detailed enough. But it's better than last season. And he's trying to be more warm and fuzzy. He sits there and holds a smaller dog or cuddles a dog and just last night the episode I watche he said, "See! I do give affection." So I think he was getting flack for it and is trying to change a little bit ( ... )
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I completely agree. And I do plan on reading it. I won't buy it, since I do not want to support him financially. But my friend interviewed him and was given a free copy from his press people. So she said I could borrow it.
I fully believe that you should have a solid understand of all the training ideas out there, ven if you do not use them. How would you know you don't like them if you don't know anything about them? I think it's all part of the continuing education all trainers should get.
I just wanted to add that I think its wrong for Cesar to be condemned for what a few stupid people are doing. First I blam the people. Since no one forced them to do what they saw. But, I feel that if he's going to have a show like his he needs to make it more clear that this isn't a quick fix. He doesn't do that. I've watched everything from last season and most from this season. I still have some episodes on Tivo I need to get to. On his tv show he does not ( ... )
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As for the last part about the alpha rolls, I said if people do them, they're not following his rules. His rules are never to use any phsyical submission on any dog ever (yes, kind of a do what I say, not what I do kind of thing, but its better than saying "go for it!" y'know?) He has never said "This is how you do a roll with your dog and you should do this whenever ____ happens"...in fact, like I've said many times, he stresses that people watching his show should not attempt to do them.
The touch bite is something different and yes, he does recommend doing that to some dogs...but to me that's simply breaking the dog's attention. I do that to my one dog when he starts obsessively licking on his paws, because sometimes speech or even clapping/snapping doesn't get their attention away from something they're obsessively locked onto. Touch does. That is something I don't see anything wrong with.
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Touch does. That is something I don't see anything wrong with.
The problem I see with this is that it could easily get the owner bit. Dogs can redirect their aggression. If they are lunging and freaking out at another dog and you touch them firmly some dogs will turn around and bite you. It doesn't eman they are evil, dangerous dogs. They probably didn't even realize they were biting you. But in the moment of being worked up they redirected it to the closest thing touching/bothering them.
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