I think all of the above. And also you have to take into account that by Torchwood, he has a whole lot more experience. He's no longer young, and he's been through a lot. And I think that is even noticeable comparing his interactions with Nine and Ten. He's still deferential to Ten because it is still the Doctor, but he's not quite as deferential as he was with Nine.
I assume part of it is that he's madly in love with the Doctor. (To my mind Jack has more of a love problem here than Martha doess. I mean Martha didn't spend like a hundred years pining for him on Earth and building Doctor-detectors to find him.) So he's willing to defer to him and then there's the whole thing where the Doctor seems to be his Rose i.e. a symbol that he's a better person than he thinks he is. He wants the Doctor's acceptance, love, respect. He's got no problem letting the Doctor lead when he's so keen to impress him and win him over.
Torchwood has no Doctor, so Jack can take over there, plus the whole thing where Jack is now the most experienced and knowledgeable person in the room.
Don't know if I can be fair, as I like the person Jack became on Torchwood a great deal more than I liked the person Ten became on Who during that period
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This is an excellent post and I think you've said pretty much everything I've thought about the situation, with probably more style than I would have managed.
I found the Doctors behaviour towards Jack in Utopia to be incredibly sad. Jack is trying so hard to get affirmation from him. He even goes into the room that will kill a man to fix whatever was needed. And he must have died, badly, but the Doctor doesn't give a toss.
The scene where Jack takes off his shirt before going into the room always got to me. It made perfect sense to me for Jack to do that to protect his clothes - because he's likely to have a messy death. It's not like he's traveling with a suitcase.
And then at the end of LOTL the Doctor is grieving for the Master, not comforting the living who have just lived (or died and died again) through the most horrendous year.
I really wondered at the writers here. It just felt very wrong.
He makes mistakes (so does the Doctor) and he's not quite as good at keeping romance out of it
The Doctor fell in love with Rose and stayed in love with Rose--the entire storyline was romantic. Jack fell in love with Gwen, but she was engaged to Rhys, and he started dating then fell in love with Ianto, but you can't compare the two, because Torchwood is an actual job--an office and Jack's team have specific duties, like UNIT, and Jack's position was more like the Third and Fourth Doctor with UNIT, than the Tenth Doctor. They are not isolated in their own little bubble on the TARDIS. Jack likes sex, and people who like sex like Jack, but really we don't see Jack involved with anyone as much as we see his team getting invovled with others. Owen and Gwen got more action than Jack on the show.
I think Jack loves the Doctor for pulling him out of his life as a conman. And doesn't he tell the Doctor that he built Torchwood Cardiff as a tribute to the Doctor (or is that fanon?)Jack wasn't always a conman--I think the Doctor helped Jack
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Torchwood has no Doctor, so Jack can take over there, plus the whole thing where Jack is now the most experienced and knowledgeable person in the room.
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I found the Doctors behaviour towards Jack in Utopia to be incredibly sad. Jack is trying so hard to get affirmation from him. He even goes into the room that will kill a man to fix whatever was needed. And he must have died, badly, but the Doctor doesn't give a toss.
The scene where Jack takes off his shirt before going into the room always got to me. It made perfect sense to me for Jack to do that to protect his clothes - because he's likely to have a messy death. It's not like he's traveling with a suitcase.
And then at the end of LOTL the Doctor is grieving for the Master, not comforting the living who have just lived (or died and died again) through the most horrendous year.
I really wondered at the writers here. It just felt very wrong.
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The Doctor fell in love with Rose and stayed in love with Rose--the entire storyline was romantic. Jack fell in love with Gwen, but she was engaged to Rhys, and he started dating then fell in love with Ianto, but you can't compare the two, because Torchwood is an actual job--an office and Jack's team have specific duties, like UNIT, and Jack's position was more like the Third and Fourth Doctor with UNIT, than the Tenth Doctor. They are not isolated in their own little bubble on the TARDIS. Jack likes sex, and people who like sex like Jack, but really we don't see Jack involved with anyone as much as we see his team getting invovled with others. Owen and Gwen got more action than Jack on the show.
I think Jack loves the Doctor for pulling him out of his life as a conman. And doesn't he tell the Doctor that he built Torchwood Cardiff as a tribute to the Doctor (or is that fanon?)Jack wasn't always a conman--I think the Doctor helped Jack ( ... )
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