The Dee-Annotated Supernatural - Something Wicked

[cupiscent]

Didn't get to watch this on Monday. The Male was being shiatsued (and apparently breasts are a kidney disorder, who knew?) and then we went for food, so we taped it and watched it on Tuesday. I slapped together the snark as best I could because ohgod, no TIME, too much WORK

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[ladyjaida]

but the main thing I get out of the scene is this overwhelming urge to SMACK Sammy. He hasn't changed. He is thoughtlessly selfish, and thoughtlessly generous. Entirely self-absorbed.

That's ... exactly it, oh my god. This is the problem I have with Sam all the time, but it's said just freakin' right.

[cupiscent]

Heh. Happy to help, ma'am. *G*

Seriously, though. Sam is selfish. Not in a he-wants-everything way. Not even in a pay-attention-to-me way. Just in a way where he articulates and acts upon every thought he has without actually pausing to consider how this will impact upon other people. I'm sure that he couldn't have got to 23 and living in the world without coming across the concept of compromise and sublimating oneself to some other cause, I just don't know that it's ever occured to him to do it for anything other than "normal".

But hey, it's part of what makes him so interesting. *G*

[ladyjaida]

I've come to terms with Sam being selfish, really, but for a long time it made me so damn mad! He's a younger sibling, and because of the particular situations he's grown up in and the peculiarities of Dean and his relationship, and all the weird emotional crap Papa Winchester has put both of them through, Sam's come out thinking that when he farts he destroys the freakin' ozone layer. And then there's the subtler selfishness, how he says in Something Wicked, for example, "I wish I could have that kind of innocence." Not "you" or even the compromising "us" -- "I."

What makes it so interesting is that Dean encourages it because that's their nature -- he doesn't say "I wish I could, too" but "I wish you could, too" and Sam never has to think to question his initial statement.

Fwar.

Hope you don't mind that I've friended you, by the way -- I am lovin' these posts too much not to catch them.

[cupiscent]

sevenfists just pointed that out below, about the "I", not "we". I hadn't even noticed it, but yeah, totally, though I do think it's a more convoluted display of the dynamics of the family than merely a selfish-Sam incident.

As if I'd mind being friended. *G* More friends are MARVELLOUS.

[tenillypo]

Sam: I wish I could have that kind of innocence.
Me: Well you can't. So shut the fuck up and get in the car.

BWA! I actually loved Sam in this episode but dude, seriously, GET OVER IT ALREADY. How many years have you had to angst over this crap? Heh.

[cupiscent]

Sorry, what? Get over it? Sam NEVER gets over it! He is an unending fountain of angst! *G* (No, really, I think he has this list, right? And nothing ever gets crossed off the list, it just gets moved to the bottom and then cycled back up.)

[sevenfists]

Notice how he says "I wish I could" instead of "I wish we could." He's not even thinking about how Dean's gone through even more awful, mind-shredding shit than Sam has. GOD, SAM, GROW UP.

[cupiscent]

Dude, I never even thought of that!

I guess it's that, to Sam, the idea of Dean having innocence is completely and utterly beyond the scope of reality. Because Dean has always been older and wiser and a little Daddy Junior. So Sam doesn't even think of it.

The sad thing, possibly, is that neither does Dean. It's beyond his scope of reality as well. Then again, he doesn't want it. Then again, would he want it, if it even faintly occurred to him that he could have had it?

It's a damn good point, though. *flicks peanuts at Sammy*

[sevenfists]

I think Dean does want that kind of innocence - not that he regrets hunting, necessarily, but he definitely wishes his mom hadn't died, so in that sense, yeah. Dean doesn't want to be someone whose mother was burned on the ceiling. And then in "Devil's Trap," with the firefighter comment? I think Dean could definitely have been happy with a "normal" life.

Sam doesn't have the emotional maturity to think of things from other people's perspectives. I don't think he ever wonders what Dean really wants, or what his regrets might be, or how many things he's been deprived of. Dean just exists, as far as Sam's concerned.

[cupiscent]

Having not seen Devil's Trap yet, cannot comment on that, but you may very well be right. *G* I think the depth of Dean's desire for normality is one of those up-to-the-fanfic-author points, but the Big Point here, is that whether or however much he wants it, he knows it's not for him, he knows he has responsibilities (whatever the depth of his personal acceptance of them versus transferance from Dad) and he's not whinging every two seconds about the white picket fence he never had

[queeniegalore]

Sam: I wish I could have that kind of innocence.
Me: Well you can't. So shut the fuck up and get in the car.
Dean: If it means anything, sometimes I wish you could too.
Me: N'aww. But you can't. So shut the fuck up and get in the car.

I love you and I want your snarky babies! GOD Sam gives me the shits sometimes with his soft-spoken hushy-voice and his wistful ruminating and his constant freaking whining. Ugh. I love him, I do, but if I were Dean I'd...huh. Ok, if I were Dean the SECOND thing I'd do is just smack him upside the head a few times.

[cupiscent]

AHAHAHAHA!

Sam's afterglow is suddenly completely shattered by a sharp clip behind his ear. "Ow!" he yelps. "What the hell was that for?"

"What was that for?" Dean growls (still, one notes, naked). "Where do I fucking START?"

[stodgey]

DEAN DESERVED THOSE LUCKY CHARMS, DAMNIT.

[cupiscent]

HE DID! HE IS THE MAN IN THIS HOUSE!

*helpless mirth*