Comments | cordelianne: Can we come rocketing back to the part about me and my new syphilis? (btvs 4:8)

cordelianne

Can we come rocketing back to the part about me and my new syphilis? (btvs 4:8)

Nov 27, 2006 20:09

I had the misfortune of grabbing a second posting day at fall_for_sx on American Thanksgiving - the disadvantage of being Canadian and not knowing when American holidays are. *g* So, in case you were enjoying yummy food and family/friend time, and missed the final 2 chapters of my Spike/Xander story, It’s Not, I wanted to post the link to it today.

It’s Not ( Read more... )

bsg, house, tv, vmars

Comments 13

a2zmom November 28 2006, 01:42:13 UTC

Yeah, I'm having similar problems with VM. I find it hard to believe that all these girls care about is getting the frats shut down even if it means that an actual rapist goes free. (Since there has to be a real rapist, otherwise what happened to Mac's roommate? She wasn't scamming anybody.)

I have mixed emotions about House. The emotional points, especially House/Wilson's shattered friendship are perfect. But all the medical stuff, the reality of the show makes less and less sense every week. No one says boo when the head of the Oncology department shuts down his practice? House is so incredibly important that Cuddy will bend over backwards and basically lie to the police for him? The man sees 20 patients a year, give me a break.

cordelianne November 28 2006, 02:06:31 UTC

Yes! Because there definitely is a real rapist, which makes these girls actions really unbelievable! I've heard some distressing theories - not spoilers - about who's behind the rape (basically furthering the involvement of the girls faking the rape(s)) so I really hope that doesn't happen. It's just such a frustrating storyline!

You make such good points about House! I'm totally bad about noticing things like that. I get all caught up in the pain of the House/Wilson friendship that this doesn't occur to me: No one says boo when the head of the Oncology department shuts down his practice? And considering, as you point out, Cuddy bends over backwards to help House, you'd think she'd be doing something to help Wilson.

crossoverman November 28 2006, 02:30:40 UTC

I'm having a hard time enjoying Veronica Mars this season for the same reasons you are. On top of the fact that we have at least one girl lying about being raped, Veronica as a character has been treated really badly this year. Logan's patronising attitude last week combined with his putting a tail on her... followed by Veronica getting drugged, not telling anyone, walking back to the car along, being assaulted and - miraculously - being saved by Logan. It's just altogether a bad message ( ... )

cordelianne November 28 2006, 03:06:45 UTC

It's oddly reassuring to hear that other people are unhappy with VM for the same reasons - you know, it's better than being the only one feeling bitter while everyone else is happily enjoying the show! *g*

I totally agree with you about the bad messages. It's one thing to put Veronica in danger, and in the past she's normally been able to hold her own, but now it feels like she's being the victim. It's interesting that you'd bring up Logan's patronizing attitude - it's almost like the show is suggesting that he's right, Veronica should be protected.

but to even leave it a week with that suggestion - whether it turns out to be true or not - is appalling.
Yes! I couldn't agree more. I suspect it will turn out not to be true, but it doesn't matter. It's such a damaging way to end an episode.

When I heard the show had been picked up for the season (20 episodes or something), I wasn't excited or happy. I think I may join you in this: If it turns out that these women have had anything to do with faking the rapes, I will drop the show. ( ... )

crossoverman November 28 2006, 03:24:38 UTC

Well, I'm sure a lot of people still are happily enjoying the show. I think the problem with fandoms in general is they are too forgiving, too easily. So unless Logan turns out to be the rapist, I don't think fandom in general will think twice. As long as Veronica solves the case ( ... )

cordelianne November 28 2006, 04:12:57 UTC

Ah yes. I'd forgotten about the Logan-loving aspect of fandom (not that I hate his character but I'm not quite in that Logan squee category). Oh dear, I hadn't realized that there would be backlash about Veronica's actions ... which is silly of me not to realize that but I'm mostly out of touch with the fandom. *g* I think that what Logan did was wrong - it may have come from a good place but that doesn't make what he did right. And Veronica has every right to take some time to herself and not answer his phone call (I actually thought that was one of the better moments in the episode).

Male characters seem to have an easier time of it. It seems men are allowed to be moody, but if a woman does she's a bitch. And if she does it to a male character, she's basically unforgivable.Yes! I totally agree! It's so frustrating to see people appreciating complex and very human male characters and then reacting negatively to women who are portrayed that way. I've noticed that on shows that have a female lead there's frequently significant ( ... )

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cordelianne November 28 2006, 04:26:17 UTC

Thanks for checking the discussion out! *g*

That's so interesting that you would mention that scene! It really bothered me as well. I recall being genuinely confused initially by her comment about the shoes because they did not seem that practical. That scene stood out for me because it was quite offensive to any woman who'd want to dress comfortably - like you say it suggests one has to wear ridiculous shoes to be a real girl instead of some wacky feminist!

And there's been an underlining feeling of "this behaviour is cool; that behaviour is not" that seems to contradict the very spirit of the show, or at least S1 where V was the social pariah.
Definitely!! Setting up "the feminists" as the people Veronica's now being picked on is very different from what she experienced in high school - feminists aren't exactly the dominant social group at the college! The sorority girls are actually portrayed with more depth than the feminists.

I'm trying to keep the faith but it's so hard right now! *g*

yourlibrarian November 28 2006, 03:59:43 UTC

Unfortunately we ended up not getting VM recorded so I haven't seen it but I was curious as to what happened in the ep. I have to agree with your feeling. Also, this phrase caught my attention:

Having Veronica say to the feminists what they’re doing “doesn’t help the cause,” doesn’t make the storyline better.

Well no because (at least up until this episode) their concerns seem to have been focused solely on the rapes and they've been portrayed as unreasonable compared to the put-upon men. Which is pretty patronizing (and limited). Basically the message of the show seems to be "work with men not against them." Which is a pretty entitled position to take frankly and not one that Veronica should really be relating to.

cordelianne November 28 2006, 04:38:09 UTC

I would normally say that's too bad about missing the episode, but I'm finding I'm becoming more and more frustrated each episode that I watch.

It's bizarre that the sorority girls are shown with depth but the feminists aren't - total extremists willing to fake rapes just to get rid of the frats (there is a back story about some girl being traumatized and almost killing herself because of the frats and sororities but I don't see the leap to "let's fake rapes").

Basically the message of the show seems to be "work with men not against them." Which is a pretty entitled position to take frankly and not one that Veronica should really be relating to.
Definitely! I very much agree. I think they're trying to suggest that extremism isn't the answer but they haven't successfully made that point.

untitleddemo November 28 2006, 04:34:49 UTC

VM has been annoying me too. There's really not one thing (storyline/pairing/arc) that I've dug this season. I hope it gets better, but I'm not having much hope for that, as I think RT is swimming in water that's a bit too deep for his head. I wish he would have just stuck with what he thought worked and intrigued him (like the first season) rather than trying to please the execs and all the people who think that they own the show over at TWoP. It's really a bit of a jumbled mess now, isn't it ( ... )

cordelianne November 28 2006, 04:46:43 UTC

Okay, you know a show's not doing well when people like you and I (who I consider to be pretty optimistic people) are unhappy with the show.

I wish he would have just stuck with what he thought worked and intrigued him (like the first season) rather than trying to please the execs and all the people who think that they own the show over at TWoP. It's really a bit of a jumbled mess now, isn't it?
I think you've pointed to what's causing the show to be so disappointing: this attempt to make it more marketable, accessible to a larger audience. I feel like they were clearly asked to dumb it down or something along those lines, which has resulted in this jumbled mess of a season. Yes! I would much rather the show go out in style and have 3 great seasons instead of the situation we have now.

heee! Yay for having a bitter rant! I partly wrote this post so I would stop ranting about VM in IMs and on the phone. *g* Things are going well for me - busy but good! I hope things are going well for you! *squishes*