a 'once upon a time' squee post 2 of 2

[borg_princess]

I pretty much love everything about this show- with only one glaring exception. I CANNOT STAND THAT LITTLE KID. I feel bad for the Evil Queen, having to deal with him. Although it makes me wonder- why would you invoke a curse that you yourself fall victim to, and if she is self-aware, why would she adopt a child

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[sanalith]

OMG this post was soooo awesome! And I'm totally wondering the same thing about why the Queen would cast a curse that she'd also fall victim to. Unless she just somehow set it up that she'd be in charge in some way (like the mayor) and that made her happy enough? I dunno, but if the curse was so powerful, you'd think there would be a loophole so she could stay out of it. Maybe we'll learn more?

AND Rumpelstiltskin!!! Absolutely 100% my favorite character, no questions asked. I adore him in both worlds, and I'm totally convinced he somehow remembers something from the fairytale. Otherwise, why would he have brought Henry and Regina together? And...uh...yeah, I totally think he's hot in the real world. I think it's the hair and the long cheekbones maybe? I also kinda like his voice XD I totally need to find icons of him >.>

[mistaria]

I think the queen felt like she didn't have anything left in her world, especially not once she actually went through with killing her father, so she probably figured being in a world that stops Snow and everyone from having a happy ending was good enough for her even if she didn't remember it.

[sparkythegeek]

Once Upon and a Batman/Keaton fan? :D

[mistaria]

Yep! :D <3

[mistaria]

Yay I'm glad you're loving this show too! <3

And I think the evil queen tries so hard with the kid because of what they told her about the spell like she'll always be searching for something to fill the void with because she's empty and so she's trying to convince herself she loves the kid or whatever and then with Emma she just gets competitive and becomes a game she has to win. Do we know for sure that she knows that she sent them all there and who she really is? I feel like they have been playing around with a does/doesn't she know -- especially in that last scene with Rumplestiltskin.

[borg_princess]

I'm glad you're willing to babble with me about our love for this show. SO MANY FEELINGS.

she'll always be searching for something to fill the void with because she's empty and so she's trying to convince herself she loves the kid or whatever

I half-agree and half-don't!

I think the fact that she named her son after the father she KILLED (!) says a lot. She got rid of the one person that loved her, and now she's searching for something to replace that, as you said, to fill that void.

But I don't think she's 'trying to convince herself', tbh, I think she really does care about Henry (she looks upset in like, three different scenes and I think it's genuine, but YMMV), but she can't connect with him now that he's older, lol. I have a feeling that if we saw her with him as an infant, she'd be looking after him and everything, but now he's older and got his own opinions and attitudes and hating on her, it's difficult. 'coz he thinks she's evil, so...

I just watched this vid with Lana Parrill and Robert Carlyle, and the last few

[mistaria]

Yeah, now that you mention it I do remember some of her upset looks with Henry and def can see it as her caring about him and hurt by the fact that he thinks she's evil and running away from her.

YAY FOR SUBTLETIES, TENSE DYNAMICS, AND FIERCE BAMFS!

[borg_princess]

The only sticking point is that others have pointed out she apparently failed Emma's 'do you love him?' lie detector test. :/ I'm not sure what to do with that. Maybe she cares for him but doesn't really love him? IDK. But he definitely affects her on a personal level, damn it! (her faaaaace. *points to icon*)

THIS SHOW FOR ALL OF THE AWARDS. :D

[afigureofspeech]

Omg this show, THIS SHOW. We are all of three episodes in and I am already way too invested lol. But come on -- reimagined fairy tales, a large cast of awesome and unique female characters, and some very nice eye candy? How could I resist? x)

I have to kind of agree with you on the Henry thing. I mean, he's cute, I'll give him that, but he's gallivanting around telling people that they're characters from his book. We know it's true, but a lot of the time he just needs to sit the hell down. Your life 'sucks'? You were adopted by the goddamn mayor, I think you could do a lot worse. And what did she ever do to make him think she was the evil queen? I mean really, she obviously cares about him very much. It must feel horrible to hear him say those things. So I kind of sympathize with Regina, in that way that you like a villain that's really good at being bad. x) (Rumpelstiltskin is that way too lol, only he's a total creeper. Excellent villains in this show so far

[borg_princess]

I have not watched the ep yet, but feel free to spoil, I am only too happy to flail with you over this show. :D

reimagined fairy tales, a large cast of awesome and unique female characters, and some very nice eye candy? How could I resist? x)

IKR? Thank god it got picked up for a full season, I am so happy we get more eps! *fingers crossed for a second season as well* I IZ GREEDY.

Seriously, I am in raptures over how many cool ladies there are in this show. So many programs are all about the dudes, and it's wonderful to have this show which devotes itself to awesome ladies. (also, the WRITING. Katie McGrath WISHES Morgana got the same level of respect and sympathy that Queen Regina gets here)

I have to kind of agree with you on the Henry thing. I mean, he's cute, I'll give him that, but he's gallivanting around telling people that they're characters from his book. We know it's true, but a lot of the time he just needs to sit the hell down.

ILU X INFINITY. Thank you for this. <3

[afigureofspeech]

Seriously, I am in raptures over how many cool ladies there are in this show. So many programs are all about the dudes, and it's wonderful to have this show which devotes itself to awesome ladies

Honestly I'm at the point where if it doesn't have a cool main lady that I like then I won't even really bother with a show. And then sometimes that happens and it treats her horribly anyways and I'm just like why, why would you do this? *sigh*

I don't see what she's done to make her such a bad mother and making his life miserable.

I could understand it if she was like, horribly mean to him or whatever. But I'm just not seeing it. Yeah, Regina has been pretty bitchy to Emma, and I'm just like ugh Regina stop it you are not helping your situation here at all, but as far as Henry goes he seems treated pretty well to me. I mean, does he ever have any consequences for his actions? From anyoneI guess what it comes down to is that I'm rooting for Emma, but I understand where both of them are coming from. (Although I don't care for people judging

[borg_princess]

I'm at the point where if it doesn't have a cool main lady that I like then I won't even really bother with a show. And then sometimes that happens and it treats her horribly anyways and I'm just like why, why would you do this? *sigh*

*pets* I feel your pain.

(btw, IDK if you watch Revenge or not, but that show has a few really well-written female character, imo, and I love their storylines and motivations)

I could understand it if she was like, horribly mean to him or whatever.

Well, there is the fact that he’s been in therapy for ages? So it seems like there are issues. But the show didn’t explain WHY he was in therapy, maybe it only started after he got that fairytale book and got a bee in his bonnet about her being evil? Maybe I’m trying too hard, but I really don’t buy her abusing him or anything.

Yeah, Regina has been pretty bitchy to Emma, and I'm just like ugh Regina stop it you are not helping your situation here at allIKR? She shouldn’t have confirmed to Emma that she deliberately orchestrated that scene in the

[h_loquacious]

Hee. This is fun. I saw your post over on one of the comms, and have come to visit. Because I just watched all three eps of this show this weekend

[borg_princess]

Eeek! *bounces* Never apologize for long comments with me! This is what I hoped and dreamed of when I posted this ridiculously long entry in the first place, so thank you!

Alas, I am on the public library's internet atm and I have to go soon, but I am going to address all your totally legit points when I get back online again tomorrow. There's so much awesome in your comment (I totally forgot about Emma's ability- is it for real? She wasn't kidding about being able to tell lies?- and her asking Regina if she loved Henry), I'm excited to get to discuss this in-depth with you. ♥

TIL TOMORROW.

[h_loquacious]

I'm glad you like long comments. Because I tend to ramble.

Just dropping by (before you reply tomorrow) that I am assuming Emma's ability to tell if people are lying is legit. Just based on how she reacted to the kid. Also, it's this show. It's all vaguely fairytale-esque. And even though the characters aren't in the fairytales, there have been numerous references to them having similar abilities (like the mention how the shrink aka Jiminy Cricket's conscience might lead to him revealing that Emma didn't actually steal the file, or Snow White attracting bluebirds, and whatnot). So I'm taking the 'Emma can tell if you're lying' thing at face value. At least until it's proven otherwise.

'Til tomorrow.

[borg_princess]

I'm glad you like long comments. Because I tend to ramble.

Hee, as I’ve just demonstrated, I’d be the pot calling the kettle black if I picked on you over that!

Also, it's this show. It's all vaguely fairytale-esque. And even though the characters aren't in the fairytales, there have been numerous references to them having similar...So I'm taking the 'Emma can tell if you're lying' thing at face value.

It’s part of that heightened reality thing. ^_^

Thanks for such a lovely, in-depth convo! <3

[gpgurl50]

RE: Henry

[borg_princess]

Well, given the Evil Queen’s father’s name is Henry and that the penalty of this reality was the Evil Queen would have a void for the rest of her life the Henry thing makes sense to me. (Part of it). He had a son Henry to replace her father Henry who she loved more than anything but child Henry will never love her back, hence the void she feels

That makes a lot of sense. I typed up this post as I saw the ep, so I didn’t really reflect much on what I saw so much as responded to it, but I’m glad you’ve cut to the heart of the matter there, because as you said, it does seem clear that she adopted a kid to try and fill that void, and she named him for a reason, because she’s trying to find someone who will love her. And it’s really sad to me that he hates her- I hadn’t thought of it before, but wow, I think you’re totally right, he won’t love her because of the curse. Ok, partly because she’s not mother of the year material, but I also think that curse plays a part in it.

I guess people believe there’s a reason he’s acting out and just